Regarding Pearl's Sudden Honesty....

#26
#26
iuvol2012 said:
It amazes me how many in our fanbase are willing to accept cheating as a method to win.
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No, it amazes me that we still have people who support someone who knowingly lied to the NCAA, realized "Oh ****, this could be bad", and then told the NCAA the truth.
 
#27
#27
zjcvols said:
No, it amazes me that we still have people who support someone who knowingly lied to the NCAA, realized "Oh ****, this could be bad", and then told the NCAA the truth.
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Lying to the NCAA is a very broad topic. Many programs do it regularly. Not justifying it, but I think your take is a bit over the top. Coaches quibble, at the very least, on a daily basis.
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#29
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BigPapaVol said:
Lying to the NCAA is a very broad topic. Many programs do it regularly. Not justifying it, but I think your take is a bit over the top. Coaches quibble, at the very least, on a daily basis.
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I respectfully disagree with that part. Do I think most program cheat? Yeah, I'll agree with that. Lie to the NCAA? Um, I don't think so.
 
#30
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zjcvols said:
I respectfully disagree with that part. Do I think most program cheat? Yeah, I'll agree with that. Lie to the NCAA? Um, I don't think so.
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If you consider only the act of intentionally answering a question falsely, then you're right, but the room to lie, given the breadth and scope of the rulebook is almost unfathomable.
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BigPapaVol said:
If you consider only the act of intentionally answering a question falsely, then you're right, but the room to lie, given the breadth and scope of the rulebook is almost unfathomable.
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Okay, I see your point I believe. Look, do I think some coaches lie and unknowingly lie because the NCAA rulebook is so thick, I'll by that, but it's very, very obvious that Pearl intentionally lied.
 
#32
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zjcvols said:
I respectfully disagree with that part. Do I think most program cheat? Yeah, I'll agree with that. Lie to the NCAA? Um, I don't think so.
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Cheating and not reporting it until you know you're caught is the same as lying. People are trying to split hairs with this situation.
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#33
#33
It was not just Pearl, it was also his Assistant Head Coach and the other top two Assistant Coaches. It is not that CBP made just a simple (dis)honest mistake. His primary staff members made the same mistakes. He certainly did revive the program, but starting today it's headed in the opposite direction.
 
#35
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tvols75 said:
He went 3 weeks after the meeting with the AA.

Rucker said it looks like he came clean before the NCAA found out that he was misleading them and that could save a lot of the punishment.
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But I would not think that there would be much punishment in the first place if its just over a phone calls? I'm sure in the meeting BP said something like 'I dont' remember making any phone calls during that period.' And if the NCAA found out different then BP says I forgot because I don't keep a record of all phone calls and at that point then TN gives BP a slap on the wrist and drags it out about 4 years like in the Reggie Bush case. I remember hearing for two years about how the NCAA was going to hammer Bama over the book scandel involving 200 athletes because Bama had just been on probation but Bama drug it out and appealed and in the end all they got was a slap on the wrist. This sudden change of heart by BP just makes me think that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
 
#36
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Cheating and not reporting it until you know you're caught is the same as lying. People are trying to split hairs with this situation.
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I agree. But when the NCAA asks you about something, just go ahead and get clean. Don't try to cover your tracks.
 
#37
#37
Bottom line is that he is not freaking Sampson or Bob Knight or Harrick or even Calipari.

Bruce has strike one, not 3 or 4 or 5 or 6...
 
#44
#44
gvol said:
I just watched Pearl's presser, and I do know these things:

- He knows he screwed up, and has publicly admitted it and is not laying blame anywhere but with himself,
- He is ashamed of his actions, but I think he is most ashamed he wasn't forthcoming to the investigators,
- He TRULY does love "his family, the university, its fans and his players" and is hurting because of what this does to all of them,
- He wants this to be a learning experience for his players to learn honesty and integrity.

In my book, I can buy it and support him 100%. I can't think of anyone who hasn't made a mistake...but to me...he handled this upright and took it on.

Learn from this and move on. You're not Calipari (thank God) so don't stoop to that level.

Go Vols!
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Are you a big contributor? Did B.P. have you over for dinner in the past? Handled it upright? What are you ingesting?
 
#45
#45
I just amazed at how much some Vol fans seem to get from press conferences; all the stuff gvol said about Pearl's presser, that Dooley is the right guy for the job based on his presser, etc.

I never knew you could learn so much from a prepared statement.
 
#46
#46
vols-1 said:
But I would not think that there would be much punishment in the first place if its just over a phone calls? I'm sure in the meeting BP said something like 'I dont' remember making any phone calls during that period.' And if the NCAA found out different then BP says I forgot because I don't keep a record of all phone calls and at that point then TN gives BP a slap on the wrist and drags it out about 4 years like in the Reggie Bush case. I remember hearing for two years about how the NCAA was going to hammer Bama over the book scandel involving 200 athletes because Bama had just been on probation but Bama drug it out and appealed and in the end all they got was a slap on the wrist. This sudden change of heart by BP just makes me think that we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
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He hasn't been punished for the phone violations, He is being punished for not being honest with the NCAA and if you think whats happened so far will satisfy them you better put your season tickets on E-BAY.
 
#47
#47
tigervol9802 said:
Especially if you are knowingly cheating...and then knowingly lying to cover it up.
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tigervol9802 said:
Please tell me how many NCAA violations Bobby Knight has, please.
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The irony of course is that Knight was fired by a man who came to epitomize the NCAA's rules. I'm not saying that Knight broke any NCAA rules but he WAS removed by his superior for making poor decisions (at least in Brand's estimation).

Now it's Hamilton's turn. Simply put, Pearl made a mistake. Hamilton has looked at that, weighed it against Pearl's history at UT and decided on a course of action. Is it the right decision? History will tell. I lean toward agreeing with the proactive approach to handing out a punishment before the NCAA decides what they view as appropriate. We will soon see if they agree with the level of punishment.

People make mistakes. Admitting those mistakes is the first step towards correcting behaviors and renewing trust.
 
#48
#48
Ex-coach Jimmy Collins shows no sympathy for Bruce Pearl - USATODAY.com)

Ex-coach Jimmy Collins shows no sympathy for Bruce Pearl

"Now that Bruce got caught doing what he was probably doing all the time, he thinks it's OK to say, 'I made a mistake.'

"It rings in my mind what he said back then. He said, 'If I had to do it again, yes, I would do it again.' The persona he tries to portray is that he's Honest John.

"If I sound a little angry, I'm not angry anymore. God has taken care of that for me. But for me to say, well, I'm going to take the high road and say I feel bad for Bruce, my nose would start growing like Pinocchio.

"It will be interesting to see what happens to him. I'm watching with a microscope."
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