Reid Suggests Romney Paid No Taxes for 10 Years

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bamawriter said:
You're ducking a very serious issue.
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I'm not ducking anything. I am simply pointing out that one has nothing to do with the other.

Jeffrey Dahmer could say that Romney should re;lease his returns and it wouldn't make the point any more or less correct.

Like I say, I could give a rat's azz about Reid. You think he's evil? Unelect him. I don't care.

But Romney should still release his returns, imo.
 
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volinbham said:
<cough>, Fast and Furious documents, <cough>
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Comparing Romney asking for votes and the disclosure of his tax returns to executive privilege debate? Really?

If that's your best argument tell me now so I can just start skipping your posts altogether.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Like I say, I could give a rat's azz about Reid. You think he's evil? Unelect him. I don't care.

But Romney should still release his returns, imo.
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Whether you like Reid or not is irrelevant. He's publicly positing a logical fallacy, and it's ridiculous. You happen to have parroted the same fallacy, regardless of whether or not you like Harry Reid.

A fallacy is a fallacy, no matter who the subject is.
 
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bamawriter said:
Whether you like Reid or not is irrelevant. He's publicly positing a logical fallacy, and it's ridiculous. You happen to have parroted the same fallacy, regardless of whether or not you like Harry Reid.

A fallacy is a fallacy, no matter who the subject is.
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Ok, if you are going to use words like "fallacy" I'm going to have to politely ask that you understand what those words mean before you use them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Comparing Romney asking for votes and the disclosure of his tax returns to executive privilege debate? Really?

If that's your best argument tell me now so I can just start skipping your posts altogether.
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covering up a government operation (or at least giving the strong appearance of doing so to use your logic) where one American and hundreds of Mexicans died as a result of actions while you were in office

vs.

speculation that you didn't pay taxes or paid relatively little (legally I might add) 10 years before you run for office.

You're right, they don't compare.

Isn't the burden of proof on Obama to show he had no knowledge of F&F or is that only for your political opponents?
 
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Fallacy:

1.
a deceptive, misleading, or false notion, belief, etc
2.
a misleading or unsound argument.
3.
deceptive, misleading, or false nature; erroneousness.
4.
Logic . any of various types of erroneous reasoning that render arguments logically unsound.


Example: Violations of the tax law might be apparent from one's tax returns. One doesn't want to make one's tax returns public. One must have violated a tax law or laws.
 
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volinbham said:
covering up a government operation (or at least giving the strong appearance of doing so to use your logic) where one American and hundreds of Mexicans died as a result of actions while you were in office

vs.

speculation that you didn't pay taxes or paid relatively little (legally I might add) 10 years before you run for office.

You're right, they don't compare.

Isn't the burden of proof on Obama to show he had no knowledge of F&F or is that only for your political opponents?
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Exactly.

If your gonna gripe about politics (on both sides) and politicians (on both sides) ruining the country you can't overlook this and be taken seriously.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Exactly.

If your gonna grip about politics (on both sides) and politicians (on both sides) ruining the country you can't overlook this and be taken seriously.
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Right. I'm actually on the other side. I don't demand the tax returns although in a perfect world I'd like to see them come out. Likewise, I don't demand the documents that are being withheld. Of the two, I think the F&F is much more serious since it resulted in deaths, impacted relations with Mexico and occurred as part of serving in the job as opposed to actions taken well before trying to get the job.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its not a "requirement" in the strictest sense of the word. Traditionally you release returns and Romney's own father made the point that a year's worth is not very informative because it could be an outlier.

The problem for Romney is that the economy is in the crapper and middle class folks have been struggling for so long, and there is a sense that things are not going to get better.

The GOP has been trying to sell the middle class on the notion that the cause of the malaise is taxes being too high on the rich and corporations, too much regulation of business, etc. The Dems have been trying to sell the middle class on the notion that the wealthy are hoarding the money they got from the Bush tax cuts instead of investing it, that more tax cuts for the wealthy is the exact wrong thing to do, and that the rich have coopted the Congress to create tax loopholes that help them avoid paying taxes according to our system of progressive tax rates.


The GOP would like to dumb the election down to "the economy still sucks" and hope that people don't look behind the curtain as to why. The Dems want people to start asking hard questions about whether tax cuts for the wealthy do anything other than swell overseas bank accounts.

Against that backdrop, Romney refuses to release his returns, allowing the Dems to pres and press and imply that Romney is part of this class of people that are ruining the country with their unbridled greed and effective bribing of the government so as to make tax dodges legal as tax avoidance.

The Dems are winning this battle, thanks in large part to the simple fact that the GOP has nominated a guy that symoblizes the very thing that the Dems have been villifying for awhile now. And it is absolutely working.

How else do you explain that, in this tepid, weak "recovery" (if you can call it that) the incumbent racial minority president is leading now in the three key battleground states by 6-8 points just three months from the election?

The GOP needed some kind of everyman candidate to step forward so that they could run on a platform of being able to associate with the middle class, which grows increasingly frustrated with the upper class and the crime they perceive goes on at the highest levels of banking and finance. Nominating a guy who used gimmicks not available to all of us to turn $450,000 in an IRA into over $100 million was utter stupidity.

Obama is going to win, and by a decent margin, and despite the fact that anyone else in office at this time and under these conditions should have lost in a rout.

The GOP have only themselves to blame for blowing the easiest shot at the WH they have had since Carter.
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I don't like to agree with you, but there is a lot of truth here. It is uncanny how this election mirrors the '04 election.
 
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The difference between the F&F documents and MR's tax returns is simple. If MR didn't legally pay or paid very little taxes while RUNNING A BUISNESS, is it shows he is smart and understands money. All things needed to be pres.

BO holding the F&F documents makes no sense, and can only show his admin is crooked or most likely just incompetent.
 
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Only the Dems can find a way to criticize a man for being successful. The sad thing is, the public is stupid enough to buy it.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Its not a "requirement" in the strictest sense of the word. Traditionally you release returns and Romney's own father made the point that a year's worth is not very informative because it could be an outlier.

The problem for Romney is that the economy is in the crapper and middle class folks have been struggling for so long, and there is a sense that things are not going to get better.

The GOP has been trying to sell the middle class on the notion that the cause of the malaise is taxes being too high on the rich and corporations, too much regulation of business, etc. The Dems have been trying to sell the middle class on the notion that the wealthy are hoarding the money they got from the Bush tax cuts instead of investing it, that more tax cuts for the wealthy is the exact wrong thing to do, and that the rich have coopted the Congress to create tax loopholes that help them avoid paying taxes according to our system of progressive tax rates.


The GOP would like to dumb the election down to "the economy still sucks" and hope that people don't look behind the curtain as to why. The Dems want people to start asking hard questions about whether tax cuts for the wealthy do anything other than swell overseas bank accounts.

Against that backdrop, Romney refuses to release his returns, allowing the Dems to pres and press and imply that Romney is part of this class of people that are ruining the country with their unbridled greed and effective bribing of the government so as to make tax dodges legal as tax avoidance.

The Dems are winning this battle, thanks in large part to the simple fact that the GOP has nominated a guy that symoblizes the very thing that the Dems have been villifying for awhile now. And it is absolutely working.

How else do you explain that, in this tepid, weak "recovery" (if you can call it that) the incumbent racial minority president is leading now in the three key battleground states by 6-8 points just three months from the election?

The GOP needed some kind of everyman candidate to step forward so that they could run on a platform of being able to associate with the middle class, which grows increasingly frustrated with the upper class and the crime they perceive goes on at the highest levels of banking and finance. Nominating a guy who used gimmicks not available to all of us to turn $450,000 in an IRA into over $100 million was utter stupidity.

Obama is going to win, and by a decent margin, and despite the fact that anyone else in office at this time and under these conditions should have lost in a rout.

The GOP have only themselves to blame for blowing the easiest shot at the WH they have had since Carter.
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Dems want voters to ask hard questions? Since when?
 
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Have we forgotten the Obama cabinet members who were proven to not have paid, or severely underpaid their taxes?
 
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YorkVol said:
Have we forgotten the Obama cabinet members who were proven to not have paid, or severely underpaid their taxes?
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I believe the total tab for Exec branch employees was close to $1 billion unpaid - but owed taxes.

Before we get the "but they released their returns" argument I don't believe that is true - we didn't see the returns of all these people including cabinet members. There was IRS action against them.
 
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volinbham said:
I believe the total tab for Exec branch employees was close to $1 billion unpaid - but owed taxes.

Before we get the "but they released their returns" argument I don't believe that is true - we didn't see the returns of all these people including cabinet members. There was IRS action against them.
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They all had made payment arrangements, too, iirc.
 
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