Reid Suggests Romney Paid No Taxes for 10 Years

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had a liberal friend admit last night it is not a real issue but they still support it since its the kind of stuff Rove did. Hate the game not the player comes to mind but I guess alls fair in love, war and politics trumps that. Win at all cost.
 
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volinbham said:
had a liberal friend admit last night it is not a real issue but they still support it since its the kind of stuff Rove did. Hate the game not the player comes to mind but I guess alls fair in love, war and politics trumps that. Win at all cost.
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political consultant is one of the worst offshoots of our career politician world that I can imagine. They all suck, except Carville, who I find a loon but very entertaining.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
political consultant is one of the worst offshoots of our career politician world that I can imagine. They all suck, except Carville, who I find a loon but very entertaining.
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I find a bunch of them on the right to be very insightful. They often have to tow the party line, even as an aside, but then end up saying some interesting things. Ed Rollins is interesting. A little dower, but that's part of what makes him who he is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I find a bunch of them on the right to be very insightful. They often have to tow the party line, even as an aside, but then end up saying some interesting things. Ed Rollins is interesting. A little dower, but that's part of what makes him who he is.
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it's pathetic that it's a job.
 
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Reid is scum. No wonder the WH picked him to be their mouthpiece
 
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lawgator1 said:
I find a bunch of them on the right to be very insightful. They often have to tow the party line, even as an aside, but then end up saying some interesting things. Ed Rollins is interesting. A little dower, but that's part of what makes him who he is.
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Your education snippet for the day. The phrase is "toe the party line."

You're welcome.
 
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volinbham said:
We're all so surprised you think that. [/sarcasm]
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I didn't say I think it. Just wondering.

Its as good a reason as any I've heard as to why Romney refuses to follow precedent and the advice of his own party's leadership that he needs to release at least several years' of returns.
 
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The likelihood that someone with earned income of any decent amount could legally not pay taxes for 10 consecutive years is infinitesimal. It's a BS ploy to smoke out his returns so Dems can go through and look for scary things like Swiss bank accounts.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I didn't say I think it. Just wondering.

Its as good a reason as any I've heard as to why Romney refuses to follow precedent and the advice of his own party's leadership that he needs to release at least several years' of returns.
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When will Obama release his college transcripts?
 
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volinbham said:
The likelihood that someone with earned income of any decent amount could legally not pay taxes for 10 consecutive years is infinitesimal. It's a BS ploy to smoke out his returns so Dems can go through and look for scary things like Swiss bank accounts.
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At first this is what I thought, too. But, Romney has already released one return demonstrating that and so its already out there that he had some overseas accounts. If the game plan was to try to conceal that, well, the cat is out of the bag. There has to be something much more troubling in those returns to make it worth the heat he is taking on this issue.
 
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lawgator1 said:
At first this is what I thought, too. But, Romney has already released one return demonstrating that and so its already out there that he had some overseas accounts. If the game plan was to try to conceal that, well, the cat is out of the bag. There has to be something much more troubling in those returns to make it worth the heat he is taking on this issue.
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My bet is that the overseas accounts show on the financial disclosure forms he's submitted and is legally required to disclose.

This is also how we found out about Pelosi's and Schulz's foreign accounts since they have NEVER released a tax return.

Likewise Reid who in his position as Senate Maj Leader has amazing power for economic policy has NEVER released his taxes.

It is BS character assassination.
 
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lawgator1 said:
At first this is what I thought, too. But, Romney has already released one return demonstrating that and so its already out there that he had some overseas accounts. If the game plan was to try to conceal that, well, the cat is out of the bag. There has to be something much more troubling in those returns to make it worth the heat he is taking on this issue.
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Or it simply could be he refuses to play the game the Obama team is trying to get him to play. Can't get your message out if you're playing defense the whole time. Plus, like already mentioned before, they want to try to find something "scary".
 
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volinbham said:
My bet is that the overseas accounts show on the financial disclosure forms he's submitted and is legally required to disclose.

This is also how we found out about Pelosi's and Schulz's foreign accounts since they have NEVER released a tax return.

Likewise Reid who in his position as Senate Maj Leader has amazing power for economic policy has NEVER released his taxes.

It is BS character assassination.
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Reid isn't running for POTUS.

Its not BS. It has been done every time since Romney's father ran, and he insisted that just one return was not enough because it could be an outlier.

I think that if the guy's primary claim to the office is being able to run the economy better for the whole country, then asking him to release such fundamental documentation is perfectly reasonable and in the course of ordinary events.


volsforever27 said:
Or it simply could be he refuses to play the game the Obama team is trying to get him to play. Can't get your message out if you're playing defense the whole time. Plus, like already mentioned before, they want to try to find something "scary".
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Its not just Obama calling for him to do it.

Its major conservative writers and commentators, as well as GOP leadership.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Reid isn't running for POTUS.

Look, the logic is that if he's doing something shady then he will do so with his economic policy. Well guess what? Reid has pretty close the same amount (if not more) power economically in his role as Senate Maj leader - he's the gatekeeper for all legislation. We've seen his budget antics.

If tax returns point to policy trust then Reid must prove he's trustworthy as well.

Its not BS. It has been done every time since Romney's father ran, and he insisted that just one return was not enough because it could be an outlier.

The demands and suggestion that he's hiding nefarious activities is BS.

I think that if the guy's primary claim to the office is being able to run the economy better for the whole country, then asking him to release such fundamental documentation is perfectly reasonable and in the course of ordinary events.

I don't see the connection. Again, the IRS has vetted his returns. He is in no trouble and has been in no trouble with the IRS. I'm sure he's an audit target. If he's doing this right within the law which every indication suggests he is then it is immaterial to his business bona fides which are substantial.





Its not just Obama calling for him to do it.

Its major conservative writers and commentators, as well as GOP leadership.
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They are calling on him to do it because it is a distraction not because they want to use it as a tool against him. Completely different issue.

The funny thing is that the people most bent out of shape about him not releasing his taxes are the ones least likely to vote for him no matter what his wealth or taxes are.

That should tell you everything you need to know about the relevance of this in the big picture.
 
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I can think of two reasons that Romney is withholding tax returns. Either they will show some relation with Bain after 1999 that might be construed as still having management responsibilities, or he plans to offer a release (after the conventions) if Obama will release documents from his past. If the second, the issue will no longer be discussed and the economy will become the focus of the campaign.
 
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I love the statements from Reid's staff and Pelosi: "Reid definitely has a source that told him this." So we have confirmed that Reid is spouting hearsay. At least we can feel confident in knowing that Reid isn't lying about hearsay.
 
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bham, its not as simple as saying he is doing something "shady." I really doubt he did anything illegal as I'm sure there is an experienced team working on his returns.

Rather, its that his own finances, and the manner in which he has conducted them, is symptomatic, emblematic, representative of, a system that is rigged to benefit the wealthiest in our country. At a time when so many are struggling to pay basic bills, and the average family has seen its net worth drop, in some cases plummet because of the decline in value of their primary asset (their homes), Romney makes more money in a year than most families make in a lifetime.

There is nothing wrong with that. But to the extent that his financial position has been in part the result of such dealings -- foreign to most of us -- does matter.

Add to that the fact that Romney to this day still seems like a bit of an automatron, cold, uncomfortable in his own skin, a flip flopper to the nth degree, and you can see him absolutely bristle when asked questions about this.

I really think there is a strong chance that its going to be the overriding reason he is not competitive in November.
 
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bamawriter said:
Define "competitive." I don't mean whether he's going to win or lose, but how tight the race is.
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I think Obama might win the three big ones - Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida -- by as much as 5 points in each. The exception could be Florida, where a Rubio VP pick will make the state a pick 'em, maybe slight edge Romney.

But that risks losing some other states, or at least opening some other solidly red states to purple status.
 
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lawgator1 said:
bham, its not as simple as saying he is doing something "shady." I really doubt he did anything illegal as I'm sure there is an experienced team working on his returns.

Rather, its that his own finances, and the manner in which he has conducted them, is symptomatic, emblematic, representative of, a system that is rigged to benefit the wealthiest in our country. At a time when so many are struggling to pay basic bills, and the average family has seen its net worth drop, in some cases plummet because of the decline in value of their primary asset (their homes), Romney makes more money in a year than most families make in a lifetime.

There is nothing wrong with that. But to the extent that his financial position has been in part the result of such dealings -- foreign to most of us -- does matter.

Add to that the fact that Romney to this day still seems like a bit of an automatron, cold, uncomfortable in his own skin, a flip flopper to the nth degree, and you can see him absolutely bristle when asked questions about this.

I really think there is a strong chance that its going to be the overriding reason he is not competitive in November.
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Don't you think Obama falls into the same catagory? Not many "common folk" make his kinda money, get paid (including wife) to "write" books.
 
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lawgator1 said:
bham, its not as simple as saying he is doing something "shady." I really doubt he did anything illegal as I'm sure there is an experienced team working on his returns.

Rather, its that his own finances, and the manner in which he has conducted them, is symptomatic, emblematic, representative of, a system that is rigged to benefit the wealthiest in our country. At a time when so many are struggling to pay basic bills, and the average family has seen its net worth drop, in some cases plummet because of the decline in value of their primary asset (their homes), Romney makes more money in a year than most families make in a lifetime.

There is nothing wrong with that. But to the extent that his financial position has been in part the result of such dealings -- foreign to most of us -- does matter.

Add to that the fact that Romney to this day still seems like a bit of an automatron, cold, uncomfortable in his own skin, a flip flopper to the nth degree, and you can see him absolutely bristle when asked questions about this.

I really think there is a strong chance that its going to be the overriding reason he is not competitive in November.
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Reid lives in the Ritz Carlton - Romney is extra wealthy but it's not like most of the big name politicians aren't in the less than 1 %.

Romney is no more emblematic of this than Obama is.
 
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