Reintegrating Tillman

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Let me put on my flame proof suit.

I think our offense has been better without Tillman.

Against Pitt we forced the ball to him at times and he had some unfortunate drops.

Not having a clear cut #1 WR (Hyatt and McCoy would be #1 on most teams still) has forced the coaches and Hooker to spread the ball around.

We are better with him, but we have to adjust from how we were using him.

Keyton has to continue to see the field some after Tillman comes back as well. He’s been great and has the best catch range on the team.
 
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white65 said:
Let me put on my flame proof suit.

I think our offense has been better without Tillman.

Against Pitt we forced the ball to him at times and he had some unfortunate drops.

Not having a clear cut #1 WR (Hyatt and McCoy would be #1 on most teams still) has forced the coaches and Hooker to spread the ball around.

We are better with him, but we have to adjust from how we were using him.

Keyton has to come to see the field some after Tillman comes back as well. He’s been great and has the best catch range on the team.
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I think it will end up being a blessing for the reasons you say. HH has been forced to look at other guys and when Tillman returns, HH won't be forcing it to him. I think Keyton has been stellar (and, since he has a Covid year, will be back next year as an experienced asset). But he doesn't have the best catch radius on the team. Tillman does. Keyton failed to track a couple of deep balls against Bama that Tillman halls in, both for TDs. The thing about Keyton that has impressed me most is his ability after the catch. He makes guys miss.
 
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I think you take NFL talent and you put it back where it was. I don't think our offense is better without him, they just matured learning how to operate without him. Now both Tillman and the rest of the offense will be even better. Our coaches and Hooker new the other guys were good, listen to their comments preseason, but sometimes you need to see it on game day. Now lookout this offense can go from great to special.
GBO
 
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Just because our offense has been better without Tillman does not mean it will be worse when he comes back.

I think a better way of saying this is: Tillman being out the last month has become a worst case scenario for our opponents going forward. In the meantime, Hyatt has learned how to step into a #1 role, meaning we have 2 (if not 3 with McCoy) WRs who not only have the SKILL SET to be a #1 guy, but also the confidence and experience playing that role. We are a matchup nightmare! Teams already couldn't figure out how to scheme against Tillman. Now they can't scheme against Hyatt. And they're both about to be on the same field, with McCoy and Keyton beside them and rotating in.
 
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white65 said:
Let me put on my flame proof suit.

I think our offense has been better without Tillman.

Against Pitt we forced the ball to him at times and he had some unfortunate drops.

Not having a clear cut #1 WR (Hyatt and McCoy would be #1 on most teams still) has forced the coaches and Hooker to spread the ball around.

We are better with him, but we have to adjust from how we were using him.

Keyton has to come to see the field some after Tillman comes back as well. He’s been great and has the best catch range on the team.
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Good post! I agree with your assessment. I believe with Tillman going out a few games has made Hendon a better QB.
 
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white65 said:
Let me put on my flame proof suit.

I think our offense has been better without Tillman.

Against Pitt we forced the ball to him at times and he had some unfortunate drops.

Not having a clear cut #1 WR (Hyatt and McCoy would be #1 on most teams still) has forced the coaches and Hooker to spread the ball around.

We are better with him, but we have to adjust from how we were using him.

Keyton has to come to see the field some after Tillman comes back as well. He’s been great and has the best catch range on the team.
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I argue otherwise. Hyatt and Keyton's breakout play in Tillman's absence will only assist Tillman with his comeback. Tillman literally will have zero stress to perform like he was pre injury. Sure he will want the targets, but Tillman can come back and work his own pace. He's no longer gonna be doubled or based around.



Funny stat that I was unaware of, but Keyton balled out vs Bama. I didn't realize Keyton put up 5 catches / 78 yards......
 
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This WR group is what Justin Hunter, Da’Rick Rogers, and Cordarrelle Patterson was suppose to be. Rogers just had to go and screw it up. We legitimately could have averaged 45-50 points imo if he hadn’t been selfish.

And then you throw in Ramel Keyton. He could be a #1 on a lot of teams as well. We have some absolute studs at wideout right now.
 
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What I think is going to make this dangerous is now we have bru and Tillman who are big bodies and physical. They can make the tough, tight coverage grabs that move the chains. Hyatt, do I need to say anything else? Top is off the defense every snap he’s on the field. Keyton has become a very nice combo of all of them. Great hands, range and can still run ( frankly all can) add this with our backs who can run/catch well and our tight ends and hooker. Someone’s going to be open every snap. Which is why when our line is playing the way they are we’ve punted 3 times in sec play.
 
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Tillman is the X receiver that will be singled up on their best DB. Hyatt plays slot. No need to change anything. Just throw to the open man. If no one open, run or trust Tillman to win the 50/50 ball.
 
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I think with Tillman out it made Hendon and staff target the other guys more which is a good thing. Now the defense has to decide are they going to double a guy or man to man and I've been impress with Hyatt, McCoy and Keyton. Any of those are valid targets but the way Hyatt caught those balls and just ran away from guys. He's my #1 until some how Tillman wins it back. It sucks but that's football.
We've got a good problem at WR. Tillman, Hyatt and McCoy on the field, that has to have the other teams DC having nightmares...Throw in some packages with Tillman, Hyatt, McCoy and Keyton on the field is really going to make the defense commit. Talk about video game cheat mode...
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I think the other WRs have matured and/or Hendon has gotten more comfortable with them and developed more chemistry. That's not going to go away when Tillman comes back. I don't see how him returning can't be anything other than a good thing? Give us another clearly reliable option that the opposing team has to prepare for.
 
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I do not think that Tillman coming back will be an issue. Coach Hype/Golich (sp) will now have (2) #1 receivers to call plays for. The play gets called, Hooker comes to the line, based on the defense the other team is in he now knows which #1 receiver to look for first, this is the way the offense is setup.
 
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Him being out will help the offense in the long term if he comes back healthy.
I said after the Pitt game Hooker seemed to only look for him in 3rd down/4th situations.
Understanding that after last year he had full confidence in him, the others were still unproven in games.
Now he’ll have 3 that I think he won’t hesitate to go to.
Gonna be hard to stop
 
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Think about how many times Tillman was targeted in the Pitt game . Wasn’t it 19 times or something crazy? HH didn’t trust anyone else on big throws to pull us through that game. Now Keyton has emerged as a guy who has not only filled in, but become a weapon. I never thought RK was capable of making the play he did on Saturday after the fumbled punt. He came back to the ball on a hitch route, turned up field and ran past 2 Bama players for a first and goal. Hyatt has 10 TDS and Bru is a big physical guy who had 2 straight 100 yard games. Defenses are going to have to pick their poison. We’re in a very good position with Tillman coming back.
 
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white65 said:
Let me put on my flame proof suit.

I think our offense has been better without Tillman.

Against Pitt we forced the ball to him at times and he had some unfortunate drops.

Not having a clear cut #1 WR (Hyatt and McCoy would be #1 on most teams still) has forced the coaches and Hooker to spread the ball around.

We are better with him, but we have to adjust from how we were using him.

Keyton has to come to see the field some after Tillman comes back as well. He’s been great and has the best catch range on the team.
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This has been my point of conversation sense "the game". Just how do you have Tillman, Hyatt/Keyton at wide out on the field at the same time. Hooker looks to Hyatt (1001-1002) nope not open, look to other side 1002-10021/2 found him! Tillman double covered 10021/2-1003 Keyton (or whoever) open in slot 10031/2, throw ball 1004,,, OOPS! TOO LATE!!
Can have too many options.
 
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