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Roll Tide Rev

Roll Tide Rev

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I don't live in a trailer, but I can say that where you live or don't live doesn't define who you are as a person. Just because someone can't afford to live in a certain place or home doesn't mean they are trash or worthless. What defines you is not money, class, or upbringing. What defines a man and a women is the relationship they have with Jesus Christ. Things of and in this world do not matter. What matters is how you loved Jesus and loved others. Jesus said that if you love him, you will keep his commandments. Rich or poor, black, red, or white, trailer or mansion, what matters is who your Lord is. :)
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
I don't live in a trailer, but I can say that where you live or don't live doesn't define who you are as a person. Just because someone can't afford to live in a certain place or home doesn't mean they are trash or worthless. What defines you is not money, class, or upbringing. What defines a man and a women is the relationship they have with Jesus Christ. Things of and in this world do not matter. What matters is how you loved Jesus and loved others. Jesus said that if you love him, you will keep his commandments. Rich or poor, black, red, or white, trailer or mansion, what matters is who your Lord is. :)
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Wow, the majority of the world's population is excluded from your statement regarding what defines a man or woman, Rev. Who knew Ghandi was a complete zero? Thanks for the education, you did go to Bama schools, correct?
 
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Remy said:
Wow, the majority of the world's population is excluded from your statement regarding what defines a man or woman, Rev. Who knew Ghandi was a complete zero? Thanks for the education, you did go to Bama schools, correct?
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Sorry to offend you, but I will say this in all sincerity and love. I believe there is only one way to heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ and Jesus only. He is the only one who died for my sins and his blood was what made it happen.
 
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I will also say this to be clear. There are MANY, many awesome and great people that are not Christians. That being said all that matters is if you have asked Christ to forgive you of your sins and then how your living your life to please him. There will be a lot of "nice" people not going to heaven.
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Sorry to offend you, but I will say this in all sincerity and love. I believe there is only one way to heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ and Jesus only. He is the only one who died for my sins and his blood was what made it happen.
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I love it when God haters trot out what they claim is the "exclusionary" nature of Christianity when nothing could be further from the truth.... It is written that many will be offended when they hear the Gospel... It is available to all though so no one will have an excuse for not believing. I have to admit.... as much fun as has ben made of me by athiests over my faith in an "invisible" God... What I really marvel at is the faith of an athiest who apparently believes that nobody created everything out of nothing..... I don't have enough faith to believe that....


Now, back to our regularly scheduled bickering!!!
 
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Rev, I'm not offended. I take issue with your assertion that what defines men and women is their relationship with Jesus Christ. It was your thing, you wrote it. If it doesn't stand up when bounced against the facts, then it's on you to decide to how to deal with that. The point is there are a myriad of people who have no relationship with Jesus Christ at all that are very substantial, good, and moral people doing extremely moral acts as part of their lives but per your definition somehow become zeroes. For instance, there are many institutions and charities, wings of hospitals for one example, financed by people who practice Judaism and have no relationship with Jesus Christ at all, yet to you zeroes they be. You don't get a pass here because of your title or beliefs well meaning or not.
 
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Remy said:
Rev, I'm not offended. I take issue with your assertion that what defines men and women is their relationship with Jesus Christ. It was your thing, you wrote it. If it doesn't stand up when bounced against the facts, then it's on you to decide to how to deal with that. The point is there are a myriad of people who have no relationship with Jesus Christ at all that are very substantial, good, and moral people doing extremely moral acts as part of their lives but per your definition somehow become zeroes. For instance, there are many institutions and charities, wings of hospitals for one example, financed by people who practice Judaism and have no relationship with Jesus Christ at all, yet to you zeroes they be. You don't get a pass here because of your title or beliefs well meaning or not.
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When it's all said and done only one thing will matter. It will not be how good a person you are, what good things you did for others, or anything else. It will be if Jesus Christ was your Lord. I know I will get flamed to death but it is the truth.

The best part about it is this. You don't have to be a certain color, class, or creed, to receive it. Salvation is a free gift for everyone.
 
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Note the immediate claim that anyone who does not need believe as they do somehow gets tagged with being "God haters." Nothing could be further from the truth. I got it, everybody that does not believe according to the Rev and likeminded it's straight to hell for them. You realize people hold the exact same view of your collective seats in Hell because you do not practice religion as they do, correct? The religion thing has nothing to do with football, football players, or outcomes of games.
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Sorry to offend you, but I will say this in all sincerity and love. I believe there is only one way to heaven, and that is through Jesus Christ and Jesus only. He is the only one who died for my sins and his blood was what made it happen.
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Amen Rev. Keep sowing those seeds the faith will sprout in some. Be blessed in all you do ( except your football team when the play the Vols).:)
 
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Never said that EVERYBODY that doesn't belive what I believe is a God hater.... But you would have to admit that there are God haters out there that use the exclusionary device to try to discredit what the bible clearly teaches. Whether you are "good" or "moral" has nothing to do with the argument. Salvation isn't based on works, (Hitler did a number of what would be considered "good works" well apart from his evil genocide against the Jewish population.... Volkswagen and the Autobahn are just a few... Evil people do "good" things just like "good" people do evil things...) but what our answer is when Christ calls us. It's a yes or no proposition... How you react to Christ determines your eternal accomodations.... I prefer "Non-Smoking"....
 
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As far as the "this isn't the place for religion" types... Does this mean I can't talk about football at church?
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
As far as the "this isn't the place for religion" types... Does this mean I can't talk about football at church?
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no it means we're not going to let threads about UT football turn into religious debates. This is a much better place for such a discussion
 
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god sounds like kind of a douchbag if he will keep me out of heaven soley because i am not 100% sure of his existance. that doesn't sound liek the god in the new testament.
 
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droski said:
god sounds like kind of a douchbag if he will keep me out of heaven soley because i am not 100% sure of his existance. that doesn't sound liek the god in the new testament.
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It's not about being "100% sure" of anything..... There's plenty of evidence to substantiate God's existence for anyone willing to take an honest look at it....It's called free will. Either accept or reject but you WILL make a decision, one way or the other. I've never "seen" gravity either, but I have seen it's effect so I can be pretty sure it exists....
 
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utvolpj said:
no it means we're not going to let threads about UT football turn into religious debates. This is a much better place for such a discussion
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Maybe I should have used one of the many "smilies" to denote that I was attempting (and apparently failing...) to make a joke.... Tough crowd today....
 
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utvolpj said:
I'm all ears
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Let me recommend a book called "I Don't Have Enough Faith To Be An Athiest" by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek to you.... It's not so much a "preachy" book but an Apologetic (in the classic scholastic sense) look at what the major world religions believe and how the evidence overwhelmingly supports the existence of God. If your mind is already made up one way or the other then don't bother but if you actually are interested in the subject it is a pretty good book.
 
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there's so much evidence you have to suggest a book? I believe what I see and I see no evidence (no matter what others believe). The events that take place around the world drive that home for me.

The only type of creator I can possibly believe in is one that set the whole thing in motion and walked away. It's just not possible to look at humans thru history and believe there is a loving god pulling the strings
 
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I've never understood why people have so much hatred for something they don't even believe in.
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utvolpj said:
there's so much evidence you have to suggest a book? I believe what I see and I see no evidence (no matter what others believe). The events that take place around the world drive that home for me.

The only type of creator I can possibly believe in is one that set the whole thing in motion and walked away. It's just not possible to look at humans thru history and believe there is a loving god pulling the strings
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Like someone once famously said.... There are none as blind as those who just don't even WANT to see.... The reason I suggested an entire book is because I sussed out that you may be skeptical. I don't know you from Adam's housecat so I'll avoid drawing any conclusions about you from this short conversation but I hope you will open up to the possibilty that there's more to this life than 75.3 (or however many) years of life and then nothing else....
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
It's not about being "100% sure" of anything..... There's plenty of evidence to substantiate God's existence for anyone willing to take an honest look at it....It's called free will. Either accept or reject but you WILL make a decision, one way or the other. I've never "seen" gravity either, but I have seen it's effect so I can be pretty sure it exists....
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if you aren't 100% sure of god's love wont you be going to hell too?
 
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utvolpj said:
there's so much evidence you have to suggest a book? I believe what I see and I see no evidence (no matter what others believe). The events that take place around the world drive that home for me.

The only type of creator I can possibly believe in is one that set the whole thing in motion and walked away. It's just not possible to look at humans thru history and believe there is a loving god pulling the strings
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Quite the contradictory statement, isn't it?

Jesus taught us to love everybody. Its not his fault so few choose to listen
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