Religious debate (split from main board)

#51
#51
i'm not saying his explanation isn't sufficient. i have no idea if god exists or not. i would gladly embrace a sufficient explanation.
 
#53
#53
Remy said:
Wow, the majority of the world's population is excluded from your statement regarding what defines a man or woman, Rev. Who knew Ghandi was a complete zero? Thanks for the education, you did go to Bama schools, correct?
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A lot of people venerate Gandhi much more than he deserves.

You, for instance can't even spell his name but you know everything about the man, what's appalling is the lack of real education and level of religiouslike belief in urban legend in this county amoung young people.

Another outstanding example is Nelson Mandela who most consider some sort of hero however in real life Mandela is pretty much a sorry bastard on the order of Joe Stalin or Fidel Castro.

99% believe Mandela was put in prison for the color of his skin, NO, Mandela was put in prison because he was a murderous terrorist, Mandela's wife killed more black Africans (in a most brutal way btw) in four years than the white minority government did in forty, Mandela's ANC party is responsible for more death and mahem among black African's in it's brief reign than the past government would have if it had governed for another four hundred years.
 
#54
#54
droski said:
did god do these things or did the belief that there is a god do these things?

one of my gripes about some religious people is that everything good that ever happens to them is because of god and everything bad is not his fault. you can't have it both ways.
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James 1:17 (New International Version)
17Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

James 1:17 (King James Version)
17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
 
#56
#56
Well I will be praying for you my friend. I know I need prayer for myself every day! PM me if you ever want to chat any further.
 
#57
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droski said:
you don't think that attitude might strike some as condesending?
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No it does not. I have also never personally judged someone on their eternal fate. Not my job to do so. But to answer your question, if I believe in God, that means I believe the Bible and the Bible has very distinct rules. It would not be condescending for me to tell you what I believe in.

I think the majority of Christians who attempt to evangelize feel they have to change every person's mind they talk to. That is where the arguments ensue. God only instructs us to preach to all Nations, not save every lost individual. If you choose to not believe, you every right to do so. He gave you that right
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Roll Tide Rev said:
I don't live in a trailer, but I can say that where you live or don't live doesn't define who you are as a person. Just because someone can't afford to live in a certain place or home doesn't mean they are trash or worthless. What defines you is not money, class, or upbringing. What defines a man and a women is the relationship they have with Jesus Christ. Things of and in this world do not matter. What matters is how you loved Jesus and loved others. Jesus said that if you love him, you will keep his commandments. Rich or poor, black, red, or white, trailer or mansion, what matters is who your Lord is. :)
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Amen!
 
#60
#60
So many have claimed to read the sciptures here, yet when anything is written about their response is usually along the lines of,"if a loving God......". Well if you have really read what the Bible says then you know that it does say that there is NO other way to the Father but through His son Jesus Christ.

Yet you want a God to fit your beliefs as to how God should act and then want us to change the way we think about it. No one, including myself, has or ever will force God down your throat. I or anyelse can make you believe. It does not work that way. But I will not change what my faith teaches me, if that offends, sorry. Don't take it out on me, take it up with God Himself. O' but if you don't believe then whats the use. Maybe one day.

As far as witnessing goes, we are to be like farmers and plant a seed. Then just turn it over to God. This is my prayer each and every day, that I just plant a seed on here. Why because someone was praying for me at one time that lead me to the Lord. My prayers are for some of you guys! May He one day reveal Himself to you.


As to "sending" you to hell. I or no other Christian can send someone to hell. If we believe the word of God, it does say there is a place called hell. Consider it like a sign on the side of the road, Falling Rocks.

No matter what you may think of me or other Christians, I really do love you and care about you. Thats why I say what I say.
 
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droski said:
god sounds like kind of a douchbag if he will keep me out of heaven soley because i am not 100% sure of his existance. that doesn't sound liek the god in the new testament.
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Actually that sounds just like Jesus in the New Testament.

Mat 10:32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
 
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utvolpj said:
there's so much evidence you have to suggest a book? I believe what I see and I see no evidence (no matter what others believe). The events that take place around the world drive that home for me.

The only type of creator I can possibly believe in is one that set the whole thing in motion and walked away. It's just not possible to look at humans thru history and believe there is a loving god pulling the strings
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PJ,

There are plenty of times in my own life that God has absolutely intervened on my behalf. I know you would like to actually see a physical God, but He does demand faith. It doesn't take a whole lot of faith to understand that God is in control. It does, however take a good amount of faith to trust your life to Him and attempt to live ina a manner that He finds pleasing. I hope that you come to understand that truth.
 
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droski said:
did god do these things or did the belief that there is a god do these things?

one of my gripes about some religious people is that everything good that ever happens to them is because of god and everything bad is not his fault. you can't have it both ways.
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Other religious people would offer you a different perspective on that.

I've had bad things happen. And the blessings that came about because of it have done more for me than any of the good stuff that has happened.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
It's the old saw.... For those who believe no explanation is neccesary... For those who don't believe, no explanation is sufficient.
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+1

It really can't be explained any better than this. I will point out that a lot of times when people start talking about why they don't agree with Christianity, they start talking about an experience that they have had with a so-called Christian.
 
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vollygirl said:
Other religious people would offer you a different perspective on that.

I've had bad things happen. And the blessings that came about because of it have done more for me than any of the good stuff that has happened.
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i had some horrible crap happen to me and did i learn from it? sure. would i have been better off if it didn't happen at all? absolutely. this is just another way of saying anything good that happens is because of god and anything bad that happens isn't his fault. i.e. you are attributing what you learned because of god, but not attributing the bad crap that happened in the first place to god.
 
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droski said:
i had some horrible crap happen to me and did i learn from it? sure. would i have been better off if it didn't happen at all? absolutely. this is just another way of saying anything good that happens is because of god and anything bad that happens isn't his fault. i.e. you are attributing what you learned because of god, but not attributing the bad crap that happened in the first place to god.
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I don't think we can have an intelligent conversation about it. It sounds like you will just contradict anything I say based on what you perceive about me, my beliefs, and my feelings. I was just trying to offer you a different point of view, from my perspective. That's all.
 
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vollygirl said:
I don't think we can have an intelligent conversation about it. It sounds like you will just contradict anything I say based on what you perceive about me, my beliefs, and my feelings. I was just trying to offer you a different point of view, from my perspective. That's all.
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It is a waste of time trying to have a conversation with a couple of posters on here about religion. They are so anti-Christianity there is no hope. You are correct they will just contradict anything you say.
 
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vollygirl said:
I don't think we can have an intelligent conversation about it. It sounds like you will just contradict anything I say based on what you perceive about me, my beliefs, and my feelings. I was just trying to offer you a different point of view, from my perspective. That's all.
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great attitude
 
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vollygirl said:
I don't think we can have an intelligent conversation about it. It sounds like you will just contradict anything I say based on what you perceive about me, my beliefs, and my feelings. I was just trying to offer you a different point of view, from my perspective. That's all.
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Why the need to turn it personal? Droski makes a good point that I haven't seen an answer to yet. If all your blessings come from God, then all the bad things do as well, because God has the power to stop them.

I read a story about a guy from New Orleans who gave credit to God for his life being spared during Katrina. Do you think he even realizes that by saying that he is implicitely saying God didn't spare all the children and ederly that did die? To me, all this talk about being spared, blessings one receives, etc...is unrealized narcissim because people don't want to explore the corollary (or don't understand it) to the logic used to come to your conclusion.

If God has a plan for all of us, and does things without concern for us understanding, then all the faith, praying, and worship is just a big waste of time. He will do what he wants and pull what strings he sees fit anyway.
 
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rjd970 said:
Why the need to turn it personal? Droski makes a good point that I haven't seen an answer to yet. If all your blessings come from God, then all the bad things do as well, because God has the power to stop them.

I read a story about a guy from New Orleans who gave credit to God for his life being spared during Katrina. Do you think he even realizes that by saying that he is implicitely saying God didn't spare all the children and ederly that did die? To me, all this talk about being spared, blessings one receives, etc...is unrealized narcissim because people don't want to explore the corollary (or don't understand it) to the logic used to come to your conclusion.

If God has a plan for all of us, and does things without concern for us understanding, then all the faith, praying, and worship is just a big waste of time. He will do what he wants and pull what strings he sees fit anyway.
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I believe that he allows bad things to happen for 2 reasons. To test us to see how strong our faith is, to see if we really believe or are we just believers when everything is going great. And when bad things happen it usually brings people closer to God for strength and comfort. Like when a disaster happens people go on tv and ask for people to pray for them and their families.
 
#75
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rjd970 said:
Why the need to turn it personal? Droski makes a good point that I haven't seen an answer to yet. If all your blessings come from God, then all the bad things do as well, because God has the power to stop them.

I read a story about a guy from New Orleans who gave credit to God for his life being spared during Katrina. Do you think he even realizes that by saying that he is implicitely saying God didn't spare all the children and ederly that did die? To me, all this talk about being spared, blessings one receives, etc...is unrealized narcissim because people don't want to explore the corollary (or don't understand it) to the logic used to come to your conclusion.

If God has a plan for all of us, and does things without concern for us understanding, then all the faith, praying, and worship is just a big waste of time. He will do what he wants and pull what strings he sees fit anyway.
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How did I turn it personal?
 
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