Religious debate (split from main board)

#26
#26
ridethelightening said:
I've never understood why people have so much hatred for something they don't even believe in.
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If you're talking about the previous poster in particular I don't get that impression from him at all.... It seems like a lot of folks who don't believe arrived at that conclusion not because of any evidential problems but more likely it's because of a volitional qualm... In other words, they don't believe because they don't WANT to... It would cause them to realize that their life really ISN'T completely theirs.... The ramifiications of that admission are too powerful for some folks to contemplate so it becomes easier to just deny God's existence in the first place...
 
#27
#27
bluetickhound16 said:
but I hope you will open up to the possibilty that there's more to this life than 75.3 (or however many) years of life and then nothing else....
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never said it's not possible but I'm just not going to live my life believing that there's some guy in the sky who will only love me if I believe in him without one shred of proof. All seems very silly to me
 
#30
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bluetickhound16 said:
The ramifiications of that admission are too powerful for some folks to contemplate so it becomes easier to just deny God's existence in the first place...
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which can also be said for the religious. They can't wrap their head around this being all there is so they have a safety net. Or they can't begin to comprehend how life began so instead of looking they attribute it all to an unknown creator
 
#31
#31
ridethelightening said:
If you don't believe in God, why do you believe in hell?
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I don't believe that a loving god would send a man to hell soley because he was a nonbeliever on earth, but it does seem a bit mean spirited to say i'm going to hell doesn't it? If i said "I hope you get cancer and die" you'd probably not be happy with me even though i can't give you cancer right?
 
#32
#32
utvolpj said:
which can also be said for the religious. They can't wrap their head around this being all there is so they have a safety net. Or they can't begin to comprehend how life began so instead of looking they attribute it all to an unknown creator
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I'll be the first to admit I don't know how anyone believes everything in the universe just came to be, but I've also never taken time to study why. It is easier in my mind to believe we were put here by a higher power.
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#33
#33
droski said:
I don't believe that a loving god would send a man to hell soley because he was a nonbeliever on earth, but it does seem a bit mean spirited to say i'm going to hell doesn't it? If i said "I hope you get cancer and die" you'd probably not be happy with me even though i can't give you cancer right?
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I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but if I told you were going to Hell, it would be because I didn't want you to
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#34
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Roll Tide Rev said:
I don't live in a trailer, but I can say that where you live or don't live doesn't define who you are as a person. Just because someone can't afford to live in a certain place or home doesn't mean they are trash or worthless. What defines you is not money, class, or upbringing. What defines a man and a women is the relationship they have with Jesus Christ. Things of and in this world do not matter. What matters is how you loved Jesus and loved others. Jesus said that if you love him, you will keep his commandments. Rich or poor, black, red, or white, trailer or mansion, what matters is who your Lord is. :)
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Doing your "Reason for the Season" series there Rev? :)
 
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utvolpj said:
which can also be said for the religious. They can't wrap their head around this being all there is so they have a safety net. Or they can't begin to comprehend how life began so instead of looking they attribute it all to an unknown creator
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If you have a more plausible explanation as to how ORIGINAL life began, please enlighten us.... I just have a harder time believing that nobody created everything out of nothing than I do in the concept that there is a God who brought the universe (and everything in it) into existence. No... I don't propose to have answers of concrete proof of what I believe, but neither do you.
Evidence (like the photos that Hubble is sending back from the edges of the ever-expanding universe for instance) seem to bolster my beliefs more than anything else I've read or heard about.... There are several other bits of evidence that lead me to believe in an intelligent creator rather than random chance... like the fact that if the earth were any closer to (or further away from) the sun we wouldn't exist... If the earth were tilted on it's axis at any other angle than the one it's tilted at, life wouldn't exist. The order of nature itself point to an intelligent designer rather than chaotic happenstance.... It would be like saying an explosion at the junkyard resulted in a fully formed 747.....
 
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#36
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utvolpj said:
never said it's not possible but I'm just not going to live my life believing that there's some guy in the sky who will only love me if I believe in him without one shred of proof. All seems very silly to me
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Oh he loves you unconditionally. So much that he gave you free will and allows you to choose based on having FAITH in him.

Here it is plain an simple.

If you take the chance and believe in him and serve him and he is not real what did you lose? Nothing.

If you take the chance that he is NOT real and not believe and serve him and then find out he was real then what did you lose? Your eternal life.

Hell was created for Satan and his angels, not for humans. BUT, those who do not choose Christ will share in the same fate as Satan himself. An eternal lake of fire.

This world was first created perfect, just like Adam and Eve were perfect, but sin messed that up and since then all humanity has made their own bed. God offered us a way of escape from the punishment of sin that we all deserve. But only those who choose to accept it will be saved. How much love does God show if he MAKES us serve him or love him? He gives us a choice.
 
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bluetickhound16 said:
If you have a more plausible explanation as to how ORIGINAL life began, please enlighten us.... I just have a harder time believing that nobody created everything out of nothing than I do in the concept that there is a God who brought the universe (and everything in it) into existence. No... I don't propose to have answers of concrete proof of what I believe, but neither do you.
Evidence (like the photos that Hubble is sending back from the edges of the ever-expanding universe for instance) seem to bolster my beliefs more than anything else I've read or heard about.... There are several other bits of evidence that lead me to believe in an intelligent creator rather than random chance... like the fact that if the earth were any closer to (or further away from) the sun we wouldn't exist... If the earth were tilted on it's axis at any other angle than the one it's tilted at, life wouldn't exist. The order of nature itself point to an intelligent designer rather than chaotic happenstance.... It would be like saying an explosion at the junkyard resulted in a fully formed 747.....
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no one knows how it happened. Humans do not have the ability to determine that yet. You are willing to just attribute random events to a god/fsm but I am not. True, it's much easier to go thru life like that but I just can't believe it.
 
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Roll Tide Rev said:
If you take the chance and believe in him and serve him and he is not real what did you lose? Nothing.

If you take the chance that he is NOT real and not believe and serve him and then find out he was real then what did you lose? Your eternal life.
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so you're using God as an insurance policy? Hey, I may never need this but might as well since it can't hurt. To me that goes against everything religion stands for and goes against the faith one is supposed to have
 
#41
#41
I say at least give God a fair chance. You give other things a chance, like the belief in the Big Bang Theory and Evolution. I urge you to at least give God a fair chance and then you can make a better assumption of what you truly believe. :)
 
#43
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Oh he loves you unconditionally. So much that he gave you free will and allows you to choose based on having FAITH in him.
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that's a little insulting. You assume the only reason I don't believe is because he allowed me to do so? Please, using that circular logic allows the religious to explain away anything presented to them.
 
#44
#44
Roll Tide Rev said:
I say at least give God a fair chance. You give other things a chance, like the belief in the Big Bang Theory and Evolution. I urge you to at least give God a fair chance and then you can make a better assumption of what you truly believe. :)
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you're assuming I haven't. I grew up in the South after all
 
#45
#45
utvolpj said:
so you're using God as an insurance policy? Hey, I may never need this but might as well since it can't hurt. To me that goes against everything religion stands for and goes against the faith one is supposed to have
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I'm not, but if it gets others to consider God a little then by all means.

I serve Jesus because I know what he has done for me. I know the miracles in my life I know how he lifted me up out of my deep misery and despair. I love him because he first loved me. I admit, I trusted in him to begin with out of fear of hell. But the more and more I get to know him, the more and more he means to me and the more I know I can't live a day without him. He is soooooooooooo real to me and he will be to anyone who will give him a chance. I love every one of you and I am sorry if I have sounded condescending. My words were not proper and were taking wrong. I wish that every one would accept Christ not only because of Heaven, but because of the change he can make in our lives for the better.
 
#47
#47
Really hard to explain bro. Like when I am down, he is there for me in a spiritual way. It is something supernatural that naturally can't be explained. Also tough times in my life where there seemed to be no way out, he made ways.

I am not trying to argue my belief I promise.
 
#49
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Roll Tide Rev said:
Really hard to explain bro. Like when I am down, he is there for me in a spiritual way. It is something supernatural that naturally can't be explained. Also tough times in my life where there seemed to be no way out, he made ways.

I am not trying to argue my belief I promise.
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did god do these things or did the belief that there is a god do these things?

one of my gripes about some religious people is that everything good that ever happens to them is because of god and everything bad is not his fault. you can't have it both ways.
 
#50
#50
It's the old saw.... For those who believe no explanation is neccesary... For those who don't believe, no explanation is sufficient.
 
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