Religious debate (split from main board)

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Snakes on a Wii said:
Those universal behaviors aren't so universal. For example, in fundamentalist Islam it is required that a man kill his wife if he finds that she is an adulteress.

But evolution accounts for many sources of altruism. Richard Dawkins wrote an entire book on these ethical ideas that we see across cultures and observed that the same behavior also occurs in some animals.
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How much does chemical play?
 
#1,082
#1,082
BeecherVol said:
Stealing time/money from my boss, and get paid for something I didn't do, is wrong.

But I would have more money in doing so.

Being moral, would cost me money in this situation.
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But on a societal level it hurts the greater good, and thus is wrong. Wrong is about how it affects other and the big picture, for only personal gain.
 
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#1,084
ridethelightening said:
Romans 14
1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living. 10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God. 13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. 14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. 15 For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. 16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. 20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
Romans 15
1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3 For Christ did not please himself, but as it is written, The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on me. 4 For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. 5 May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus, 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 7 Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.
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Doesn't Revelations chapter 2 contradict some of this?
 
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IPorange said:
But on a societal level it hurts the greater good, and thus is wrong. Wrong is about how it affects other and the big picture, for only personal gain.
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What difference does that make?

I made myself better while I was here. My quality of life got better by having more money.

I won't know the difference when Im dead.
 
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#1,088
BeecherVol said:
What difference does that make?

I made myself better while I was here. My quality of life got better by having more money.

I won't know the difference when Im dead.
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What is good for society is generally good for your descendants and relatives.

Example: Say you are a tribal native living in a remote jungle somewhere. If you start stealing from your fellow tribesmen and women, you are making enemies out of the people you cooperate with on a daily basis to hunt, gather, and care for one another. You are shooting yourself in the foot.

We tend to think of ourselves as being completely independent from others because of the modern lifestyle of disconnection from other people, but in reality you and I are completely dependent on someone else for EVERYTHING-- unless you are growing your own food, refining your own gasoline, constructing all your own possessions, etc.
 
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IPorange said:
Doesn't Revelations chapter 2 contradict some of this?
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I want to make sure I am coming from your point of view.

Are you talking about the specific letters to each church?

Are you talking about the literally meaning or what the churches represent in terms of groups of people?
 
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IPorange said:
What is good for society is generally good for your descendants and relatives.

Example: Say you are a tribal native living in a remote jungle somewhere. If you start stealing from your fellow tribesmen and women, you are making enemies out of the people you cooperate with on a daily basis to hunt, gather, and care for one another. You are shooting yourself in the foot.

We tend to think of ourselves as being completely independent from others because of the modern lifestyle of disconnection from other people, but in reality you and I are completely dependent on someone else for EVERYTHING-- unless you are growing your own food, refining your own gasoline, constructing all your own possessions, etc.
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Mutual agreement, we provide services for one another.

I guess on paper, Marxism is the way to go. At least to the point where Star Trek took it.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Don't hate me cause you ain't me!
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IPorange said:
What is good for society is generally good for your descendants and relatives.

Example: Say you are a tribal native living in a remote jungle somewhere. If you start stealing from your fellow tribesmen and women, you are making enemies out of the people you cooperate with on a daily basis to hunt, gather, and care for one another. You are shooting yourself in the foot.

We tend to think of ourselves as being completely independent from others because of the modern lifestyle of disconnection from other people, but in reality you and I are completely dependent on someone else for EVERYTHING-- unless you are growing your own food, refining your own gasoline, constructing all your own possessions, etc.
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No one said anything about being caught. It is possible to steal your entire life, and not get caught. And in the process, provide a better life for yourself with better goods. Being caught does not make it wrong. The act is wrong by itself.

Its obvious that we both agree, that trying to live a moral, and ethical life is the right thing to do.

What drives us to do this, is where we disagree.
 
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