Remaining DT targets in the class

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sjt18 said:
And you are still trying to judge a half-baked cake.


So if they have chosen to pursue high caliber players and none of them have said yes so far... it is time to say you are dissatisfied? If you want to play Chik'n Lil then go ahead... just don't try to deny what you're doing.

It may or may not have anything to do with Garner. It isn't like these kids are choosing Vandy or even UK over playing for UT and Garner. UT is going up against top programs. They've won some. They've lost some. We don't know why any of those recruits have chosen or not chosen UT. Some of you guys act like someone at UT has to be doing something wrong if a kid doesn't choose the Vols... maybe they just decided someone else was a better option and there was nothing UT could have done about it?
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Half-baked cake? While I like Gentle and Lindstrom as developmental prospects (which Smith appears to be as well), none of them have a recruiting pedigree (i.e., are being pursued by elite programs) that screams SEC championship starter.

We got OVs from two actual DL (not Edges) - Nwaneri and Franklin. Does that strike you as good enough? We have a DL board of...1. So where is the other half of the cake going to come from? As a reminder, this back and forth started when you responded to my comment that simply said the existing board isn't big enough. That seems to have upset you but you haven't argued why it's not true.

Bolded comment is hilarious, as I'm one of the biggest wearers of orange colored glasses there is. That said, I'm not blind. And, importantly, you're not responding to or refuting my actual point. Instead you're just name calling and building straw men.

Tell me - without name calling or wishcasting - where I'm wrong. IYO is the DL recruiting on par with any other position this cycle or since Garner has been here? It's an easy answer...
 
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GBO121 said:
I don’t disagree with your concern and take on this. It’s esp puzzling given RGs history. But I also agree with those who say let’s give it til the end of the cycle and see what happens. Hobbs and west were late gets. Jayson Jenkins may become a player down the road. There’s also a chance Heard sticks at DT. Who knows, that bro could become a John Henderson monster. He’s so raw, but I do agree the lack of blue chips for RG is perplexing.
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Hobbs and West were GREAT gets! But unfortunately that's about it. Of the DL on the 2023 roster, he's recruited a total of 6(!!!) of them, and that's counting Trevor Duncan. 4 are true freshmen, the other two are West and Jenkins, who according to 247 mods has made zero noise during camp (doesn't mean he can't develop, of course). IMO, and IMO only, that's not good enough.
 
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jvols1999 said:
I’m basing it on who is recruiting those players, not rankings.

Again, if you’re satisfied with Garner’s recruiting then by all means. IMO though it hasn’t been up to par with the rest of the staff.
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Safety recruiting has also not been strong. We
Ickes it up on OL this year finally though a big time tackle would be huge.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Half-baked cake? While I like Gentle and Lindstrom as developmental prospects (which Smith appears to be as well), none of them have a recruiting pedigree (i.e., are being pursued by elite programs) that screams SEC championship starter.

We got OVs from two actual DL (not Edges) - Nwaneri and Franklin. Does that strike you as good enough? We have a DL board of...1. So where is the other half of the cake going to come from? As a reminder, this back and forth started when you responded to my comment that simply said the existing board isn't big enough. That seems to have upset you but you haven't argued why it's not true.

Bolded comment is hilarious, as I'm one of the biggest wearers of orange colored glasses there is. That said, I'm not blind. And, importantly, you're not responding to or refuting my actual point. Instead you're just name calling and building straw men.

Tell me - without name calling or wishcasting - where I'm wrong. IYO is the DL recruiting on par with any other position this cycle or since Garner has been here? It's an easy answer...
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So, a half-baked cake describes a cake that's not fully cooked, and is a good description of a recruiting class before signing day. It is not describing a fully cooked, half-cake.

None of us know what's going on behind the scenes, nor what will happen before signing day.
 
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I assume that the D ends that we have gotten is because of RG so I'm not trying to throw him under the bus. That part of recruitment has been great. I just don't see the DT we need
 
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jvols1999 said:
Hobbs and West were GREAT gets! But unfortunately that's about it. Of the DL on the 2023 roster, he's recruited a total of 6(!!!) of them, and that's counting Trevor Duncan. 4 are true freshmen, the other two are West and Jenkins, who according to 247 mods has made zero noise during camp (doesn't mean he can't develop, of course). IMO, and IMO only, that's not good enough.
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Weathersby was pushing to be in the rotation this year before the hip injury and he was a summer enrollee.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Calmer’n you are dude.

Listen if you’re satisfied with DL (not Edge, DL) recruiting then that’s great for you. IMO Garner should be doing better. The rest of the staff is objectively recruiting at a higher level than he is.
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If you're talking DL and not EDGE, Lindstrom will be a SDE IMO. You also have Heard on the inside. Landed Hobbs, Duncan, Robinson, and Weathersby last class. Jayson Jenkins and Tyre West the year before. Bailey still has two years after this year somehow as well. We don't need to take bodies just to take bodies. We'll need an experienced transfer and to coach the young guys up
 
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I hate that we've missed on a couple, but the cabinet isn't empty after this year. We have options that this staff recruited that will be a year+ in the program next year. Granted as of now, they don't have experience but neither would a true freshman. It will work out because CJH and staff have shown nothing but improvement since arriving. GBO!!!🍊😲VFL!!!
 
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allvolrecruiting said:
If you're talking DL and not EDGE, Lindstrom will be a SDE IMO. You also have Heard on the inside. Landed Hobbs, Duncan, Robinson, and Weathersby last class. Jayson Jenkins and Tyre West the year before. Bailey still has two years after this year somehow as well. We don't need to take bodies just to take bodies. We'll need an experienced transfer and to coach the young guys up
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I am talking DL and not Edge. Heard is an OT, not a DL. That's per literally everyone who covers UT recruiting.

So, right, again, he's got 6 total on this year's roster. 4 are true freshmen and one (Duncan) is also thought to have a higher upside at OL than DL, but we'll count him for this argument's sake. IMO we do not have enough DL - bodies and talent - for next season. Therefore, I by definition agree that we'll need to hit the portal, but we'll likely need more multiple ready to play guys if we want an SEC championship caliber DL.

Ready to drop this and move on. Trust me though, NOBODY wants us to succeed in recruiting - at DL and every other position - than I do. So I hope we land Smith, turn up a couple of diamonds in the rough and/or flip Amaris Williams and a more.

GBO!
 
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jvols1999 said:
Half-baked cake? While I like Gentle and Lindstrom as developmental prospects (which Smith appears to be as well), none of them have a recruiting pedigree (i.e., are being pursued by elite programs) that screams SEC championship starter.
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Really? Why? Because they're 3* and not 4*? Would your opinion change if one of them was awarded a 4th star? My guess is yes. You know nothing about these players or their potential. Some pretty good coaches... do... and took the commitment of two of them. As for Gentle in particular, if he can carry the weight then he has the potential to become an outstanding interior DL. That is the risk with him but one the coaches readily took.

We got OVs from two actual DL (not Edges) - Nwaneri and Franklin. Does that strike you as good enough?
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Well, yes. Here is why. Heupel has been on the lead edge of a lot of the new way things are. If they have a group of say 20 HS DLs they think offer good enough potential and have decided to go portal with those scholarships if they get none of them.... then, yes, that is not just a "good" strategy but a great one. A lot of "misguided" people here think the Vols should throw big NIL numbers at HS recruits who may very well be busts. IMHO, I wasn't that thrilled about Franklin after watching his highlights. That is very limited info but he didn't look like a 4* much less better to me. But the coaches pursued him so they must see it. I wouldn't have thrown a lot of money at him.

Right now the coaches are weighing their options and making the calculations to see if anyone currently on their scope is good enough for an offer. The season will without a doubt reveal some guys that will get offers. They'll target guys that maybe they haven't. But they may also decide that paying a BIG NIL for a portal guy is the better option. For one, you know something about them. Secondly, players will be less inclined to be upset if a guy like that gets a big offer.... much less so than an unproven recruit who will not contribute for 2 years at best.

We have a DL board of...1. So where is the other half of the cake going to come from? As a reminder, this back and forth started when you responded to my comment that simply said the existing board isn't big enough. That seems to have upset you but you haven't argued why it's not true.
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Do you SERIOUSLY think you know who is on "the board" or what the coaches are doing? Really? I'm not upset just in awe of your arrogant assumptions. You have absolutely NO idea who is on their board or how many there are.

Bolded comment is hilarious, as I'm one of the biggest wearers of orange colored glasses there is. That said, I'm not blind. And, importantly, you're not responding to or refuting my actual point. Instead you're just name calling and building straw men.
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Nope. You are spewing non-sense and getting all jacked up about it. I'm just pointing that out.

Tell me - without name calling or wishcasting - where I'm wrong. IYO is the DL recruiting on par with any other position this cycle or since Garner has been here? It's an easy answer...
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I just did. You are "wrong" because you have made some really, really big assumptions. It may eventually be the disaster you think it already is.... but it isn't that yet. We won't be able to make that assessment until this time next year.
 
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jvols1999 said:
I am talking DL and not Edge. Heard is an OT, not a DL. That's per literally everyone who covers UT recruiting.

So, right, again, he's got 6 total on this year's roster. 4 are true freshmen and one (Duncan) is also thought to have a higher upside at OL than DL, but we'll count him for this argument's sake. IMO we do not have enough DL - bodies and talent - for next season. Therefore, I by definition agree that we'll need to hit the portal, but we'll likely need more multiple ready to play guys if we want an SEC championship caliber DL.

Ready to drop this and move on. Trust me though, NOBODY wants us to succeed in recruiting - at DL and every other position - than I do. So I hope we land Smith, turn up a couple of diamonds in the rough and/or flip Amaris Williams and a more.

GBO!
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Ask "literally everyone who covers UT recruiting" and they will tell you Heard is starting out on defense. Duncan is on defense.
 
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I’d like cake recipe, but seriously FWIW Omar Norman-Lott had been running some with the ones prior to getting banged up and missing some practice time.
 
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I think we sometimes under estimate the impact of negative recruiting defensive players, especially these blue chip linemen, hear about our offense. They are hearing how our fast offense results in so many more plays for the defense and that they will get injured, etc because of it. Coach has mentioned it himself. Going to take continued winning to kill that perception.
 
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DarthVol1 said:
I think we sometimes under estimate the impact of negative recruiting defensive players, especially these blue chip linemen, hear about our offense. They are hearing how our fast offense results in so many more plays for the defense and that they will get injured, etc because of it. Coach has mentioned it himself. Going to take continued winning to kill that perception.
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Weak overall year on DL. Got two studs, about to get a three star, and possibly two four stars. Missed our biggest targets. Happy as crap if we close these last ones.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Hobbs and West were GREAT gets! But unfortunately that's about it. Of the DL on the 2023 roster, he's recruited a total of 6(!!!) of them, and that's counting Trevor Duncan. 4 are true freshmen, the other two are West and Jenkins, who according to 247 mods has made zero noise during camp (doesn't mean he can't develop, of course). IMO, and IMO only, that's not good enough.
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Yeah I can’t disagree. It’s bizarre frankly.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Hobbs and West were GREAT gets! But unfortunately that's about it. Of the DL on the 2023 roster, he's recruited a total of 6(!!!) of them, and that's counting Trevor Duncan. 4 are true freshmen, the other two are West and Jenkins, who according to 247 mods has made zero noise during camp (doesn't mean he can't develop, of course). IMO, and IMO only, that's not good enough.
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thought he recruited norman lot? also i believe i recall hearing he, west, and jenkins have all had quietly great camps.
 
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