Remaining DT targets in the class

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I just want to make sure I follow everyone here. Let's go back 6 months.

1. OL recruiting is terrible.
2. Elarbee is the worst recruiter ever.
3. We're getting 3 five stars at WR.
4. Staff can't close.

Present day:

1. DL recruiting is terrible
2. Garner is our worst recruiter right now (let's ignore his history of late elite signings practically every year).
3. We're probably going to sign elite EDGEs, LBs, and DBs.
4. Staff can't open.

I'm exhausted already
 
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Frankwillie87 said:
I just want to make sure I follow everyone here. Let's go back 6 months.

1. OL recruiting is terrible.
2. Elarbee is the worst recruiter ever.
3. We're getting 3 five stars at WR.
4. Staff can't close.

Present day:

1. DL recruiting is terrible
2. Garner is our worst recruiter right now (let's ignore his history of late elite signings practically every year).
3. We're probably going to sign elite EDGEs, LBs, and DBs.
4. Staff can't open.

I'm exhausted already
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staff can close sometimes.

missouri nil.

tennessee offered, three star?
 
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jvols1999 said:
Calmer’n you are dude.

Listen if you’re satisfied with DL (not Edge, DL) recruiting then that’s great for you. IMO Garner should be doing better. The rest of the staff is objectively recruiting at a higher level than he is.
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You got a legit point man. It’s a worry that I find myself questioning often. IMO the most intriguing questions regarding our staff is
1. Can Martinez deliver on developing the youth and talent that he’s had for 3 years but have always looked lost in coverage.
2.Coach RG is a very good developer of talent, yet he’s missing on a few true defensive linemen we have to recruit better inside of our defense. Portal definitely helps.
3.Can Ellerbee recruit OTs at a consistent level I have little doubt in his ability to coach up what he has. But with the exception of Warren he’s missed on all of our top OT targets and has been grabbing projects or developmental pieces instead of guys who are better prepared to play early if needed.
Go big orange 🍊
 
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jvols1999 said:
I’m basing it on who is recruiting those players, not rankings.

Again, if you’re satisfied with Garner’s recruiting then by all means. IMO though it hasn’t been up to par with the rest of the staff.
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Let's try this. Gentle and Franklin are fairly close to the same size and play the same position in HS. I understand completely the limitations of highlight videos. They don't show plays where a guy gets blocked, misses a tackle, or otherwise doesn't look good. But watch the highlight videos for these two guys and be honest with yourself about which one is more athletic. I am not drawing any conclusions about which player will be better in college. Just saying that there may not be the big difference between the two when it comes to potential that you think.

Gentle seems to have pretty much locked into the Vols early and didn't court interest from other big programs. For whatever reason, Franklin has been on everyone's radar. But SOLELY based on those highlight videos... I'm not see the gap being as wide as the omniscient recruiting sites suggest.
 
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jvols1999 said:
I don’t see how we can consider the portal in these discussions. We’re talking recruits on the current DL board, not theoretical players who might end up in the portal in December. Right now we have Lindstrom and Gentle committed and Nasir Smith as the one uncommitted DL on the board. IMO that’s not good enough. Again, anyone who feels differently is certainly entitled and I won’t make snide remarks about that opinion, I’ll just respectfully disagree.

Side note: IMO Garner hasn’t exactly killed the portal either. We’ve all got high hopes for ONL but it should be noted that he’s not a projected starter. Garner’s other portal signees were Tremblay (not particularly impactful in one season) and Terry (rotational player who bolted for more money after two seasons).

Again, JMO but despite the reputation he’s been one of the weakest recruiters on the staff in the 2.5 cycles it’s been here.
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When is the issue NOT who have we added THIS CYCLE to join the team next season when these 24’ guys would show up. Before the portal transfers with restrictions were less of a factor, those days are gone. Especially for guys we and others passed on who ended up excelling at lower level schools and want a shot at the brass ring.

I guess it does not fit your agenda but it is what it is. You guys can only play the OPINION card so many times and it never out weighs real facts in full term.
 
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freedom fighter said:
Money, Money, Money is all that matters in recruiting. How stupid are fans not to realize this simple fact.
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Not a fact. Money matters like it matters to you or me or anyone else. But it isn't the only thing that matters unless... you are in fact STUPID. Generally speaking, the NIL offers aren't going to be worlds apart unless one school just doesn't value a player very highly while another does.

These kids face the same kinds of choices and considerations any of us do when we consider a job. How much pay is part of it. But if one place offers a lot more... a reasonable question is, "Why?" Sometimes employers have to pay a lot more because they have high turnover due to a toxic environment or some hidden job difficulty.


PS- do you have a resource for finding out the specifics of the NIL deals offered by various programs? I have seen a ton of claims regarding kids choosing someone else for the NIL... but no proof.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
When is the issue NOT who have we added THIS CYCLE to join the team next season when these 24’ guys would show up. Before the portal transfers with restrictions were less of a factor, those days are gone. Especially for guys we and others passed on who ended up excelling at lower level schools and want a shot at the brass ring.

I guess it does not fit your agenda but it is what it is. You guys can only play the OPINION card so many times and it never out weighs real facts in full term.
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In a way, the portal has taken opportunities away from marginal recruits who would have otherwise been signed. They now have to go prove themselves. There is a really good chance that guys like Montori Hughes never get an offer from UT if he were being recruited now vs 15 +/- years ago. His spot would have been filled by a player who had proven himself at a lower program.
 
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sjt18 said:
In a way, the portal has taken opportunities away from marginal recruits who would have otherwise been signed. They now have to go prove themselves. There is a really good chance that guys like Montori Hughes never get an offer from UT if he were being recruited now vs 15 +/- years ago. His spot would have been filled by a player who had proven himself at a lower program.
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For sure a two edged sword. I FEAR it also has staffs push guys into the portal before development to create space for other guys who have popped already. Tougher to be a LOW producing BUT loyal VFL
 
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jvols1999 said:
Calmer’n you are dude.

Listen if you’re satisfied with DL (not Edge, DL) recruiting then that’s great for you. IMO Garner should be doing better. The rest of the staff is objectively recruiting at a higher level than he is.
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Anyone else see the similarities in @jvols1999 posts and @LittleVol posts? Both recruiting experts and tough on the coaching staff. Has anyone seen them both at the same time? Twins? 🤔🤔🤔
 
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jvols1999 said:
Calmer’n you are dude.

Listen if you’re satisfied with DL (not Edge, DL) recruiting then that’s great for you. IMO Garner should be doing better. The rest of the staff is objectively recruiting at a higher level than he is.
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In all fairness to RG isn't he responsible for recruiting the edge guys
 
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utvolmaniac said:
Anyone else see the similarities in @jvols1999 posts and @LittleVol posts? Both recruiting experts and tough on the coaching staff. Has anyone seen them both at the same time? Twins? 🤔🤔🤔
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Dude give me a break. Tough on coaches? Go back and actually look at my posts. You know the ones tracking visit weekends, updating the board and OVs, and trumpeting just how good of a job Heupel and his staff are doing on the trail.

A recruiting expert? Never claimed to be one, never will. A recruiting addict? Sure. But unlike some others *in this actual thread* I make zero attempt to do any sort of scouting or film evaluation in order to make a comment on prospects. All I care about is who else is recruiting a kid, with additional interest specifically in 247 evaluations because I think their focus on multi-sport athletes and track & field performance for their projections is interesting.

It seems I’ve hurt some people’s feelings by suggesting that the apparently infallible Coach Garner isn’t performing on the trail. And I’ve provided evidence to support the point (specifically, that he’s got a grand total of 6 DL on this years roster of which 4 are true freshman, and also that we have two total DL committed with one uncommitted DL who anyone knows we’re recruiting).

But sure, I’m a troll…
 
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jvols1999 said:
Dude give me a break. Tough on coaches? Go back and actually look at my posts. You know the ones tracking visit weekends, updating the board and OVs, and trumpeting just how good of a job Heupel and his staff are doing on the trail.

A recruiting expert? Never claimed to be one, never will. A recruiting addict? Sure. But unlike some others *in this actual thread* I make zero attempt to do any sort of scouting or film evaluation in order to make a comment on prospects. All I care about is who else is recruiting a kid, with additional interest specifically in 247 evaluations because I think their focus on multi-sport athletes and track & field performance for their projections is interesting.

It seems I’ve hurt some people’s feelings by suggesting that the apparently infallible Coach Garner isn’t performing on the trail. And I’ve provided evidence to support the point (specifically, that he’s got a grand total of 6 DL on this years roster of which 4 are true freshman, and also that we have two total DL committed with one uncommitted DL who anyone knows we’re recruiting).

But sure, I’m a troll…
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Never called you a troll…or @LittleVol for that matter. Just pointing out that you seem to come off as an expert at times much like he/she I compared you to. I understand that things in black and white…such as posts….can be interpreted by readers differently than intended. But you have been posting a lot over the past week and a half when @LittleVol has not been seen since 8/10. And yes, I know you were posting when he was prior to that date…but you seem to have upped you game over that timeframe. Just my observations and my post questioning same. Didn’t mean for you to get butt hurt.
 
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utvolmaniac said:
Never called you a troll…or @LittleVol for that matter. Just pointing out that you seem to come off as an expert at times much like he/she I compared you to. I understand that things in black and white…such as posts….can be interpreted by readers differently than intended. But you have been posting a lot over the past week and a half when @LittleVol has not been seen since 8/10. And yes, I know you were posting when he was prior to that date…but you seem to have upped you game over that timeframe. Just my observations and my post questioning same. Didn’t mean for you to get butt hurt.
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Not at all my man. I've only "upped my game" in this thread because a seemingly innocuous comment about needing a bigger board than one uncommitted DL got some others very upset. Other than that, I'm just pumped for Coach Ekeler to land another stud Edge player with the help of Coach Chop (per Steve Wiltfong) and see if BJM can land Cole and take that LB room to yet another level after inheriting a Sun Belt LB room.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Not at all my man. I've only "upped my game" in this thread because a seemingly innocuous comment about needing a bigger board than one uncommitted DL got some others very upset. Other than that, I'm just pumped for Coach Ekeler to land another stud Edge player with the help of Coach Chop (per Steve Wiltfong) and see if BJM can land Cole and take that LB room to yet another level after inheriting a Sun Belt LB room.
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Okay, I stand corrected. Just the over-the-top criticism of CRG and his recruiting prowess echoed in my ears. Early NSD is still months away. CRG pulled West and Hobbs the last two recruiting cycles, but I get it….what have you done for me lately? Ever think that depth charts/NIL matter to these kids? (Hate NIL btw). We did get an interior DL transfer from the portal to add to the mix in Norman-Lott. We shall see how that plays out.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Calmer’n you are dude.

Listen if you’re satisfied with DL (not Edge, DL) recruiting then that’s great for you. IMO Garner should be doing better. The rest of the staff is objectively recruiting at a higher level than he is.
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Right now. RG is typically pulling guys very late in the process.
 
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jvols1999 said:
Dude give me a break. Tough on coaches? Go back and actually look at my posts. You know the ones tracking visit weekends, updating the board and OVs, and trumpeting just how good of a job Heupel and his staff are doing on the trail.

A recruiting expert? Never claimed to be one, never will. A recruiting addict? Sure. But unlike some others *in this actual thread* I make zero attempt to do any sort of scouting or film evaluation in order to make a comment on prospects. All I care about is who else is recruiting a kid, with additional interest specifically in 247 evaluations because I think their focus on multi-sport athletes and track & field performance for their projections is interesting.

It seems I’ve hurt some people’s feelings by suggesting that the apparently infallible Coach Garner isn’t performing on the trail. And I’ve provided evidence to support the point (specifically, that he’s got a grand total of 6 DL on this years roster of which 4 are true freshman, and also that we have two total DL committed with one uncommitted DL who anyone knows we’re recruiting).

But sure, I’m a troll…
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I’m fine with waiting till after NSD to evaluate Garner’s recruiting chops, seems the guy always lands a big guy or two late. Other than DT I would say we’ve done just fine this year and we still have a few on the board there as well
 
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Why not wait until unsigned recruits play thier senior season and see who blows up. Arion Carter was a 3 star committed to Memphis prior to his senior season, is it unreasonable to think there may be a d lineman out there who is underrated?
 
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utvolmaniac said:
Never called you a troll…or @LittleVol for that matter. Just pointing out that you seem to come off as an expert at times much like he/she I compared you to. I understand that things in black and white…such as posts….can be interpreted by readers differently than intended. But you have been posting a lot over the past week and a half when @LittleVol has not been seen since 8/10. And yes, I know you were posting when he was prior to that date…but you seem to have upped you game over that timeframe. Just my observations and my post questioning same. Didn’t mean for you to get butt hurt.
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@utvolmaniac Quit trolling @jvols1999 dont know what you’ve got against him but leave it at the door or don’t show up at all.
 
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