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BigPapaVol said:
Apparently we can't define American left. We HAVE to have the Europeans involved before we can begin defining our own political views.
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understandable. you can't expect americans who are miserable to make logical decisions. clearly we have to defer to our deleriously happy euro brothers.
 
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Lexvol said:
Come to think of it.. maybe the establishment of a fake monarchy could help us.
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I like it. Kennedy clan. They push hard on the left, even though patriarch made his money illicitly, grew it like a crazed 400 lb gorilla via insider trading, then shut down both avenues via cash influence. Perfect monarchy material.
 
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How does one even have a political discussion without being acutely aware of how detrimental the income gap in America is and has been?
 
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We became the world's only superpower steering away from European trends. I thought that was the whole idea behind our establishment. Did I take too many history classes before the Marxists took over academia?
 
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Lexvol said:
We became the world's only superpower steering away from European trends. I thought that was the whole idea behind our establishment. Did I take too many history classes before the Marxists took over academia?
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Yes. Turn your thermostat back, and be ashamed.
 
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hndog609 said:
I found this an interesting read, perhaps others might also.

A Horrid Crime, a Dishonest Debate - Andrew C. McCarthy - National Review Online

I really liked this particular observation.

"It is as stupid to claim that rhetoric causes violence as it is to claim that normal people can be entrapped into terrorism. What vitriolic thing would someone need to say to you, whether the vitriol could be cast as right-wing or left-wing, that would get you to pick up a gun and start spraying bullets at people with whom you disagreed, however vigorously, about some political or social issue? It wouldn’t happen. It couldn’t happen."
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if rhetoric did cause violence, we would be having this problem from both left and right on a monthly or even weekly basis. The fact is it doesn't. how many car bombs happen overseas due to political disagreement.

America has not gotten to this point yet.
 
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Lexvol said:
We became the world's only superpower steering away from European trends. I thought that was the whole idea behind our establishment. Did I take too many history classes before the Marxists took over academia?
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Please. Those were the dark ages and only happened because FDR got us back on the right path toward Eurotopia, where everyone has right to same outcomes. Don't ever again be fooled into believing that the things that made us different were the catalyst. It was TVA.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
How does one even have a political discussion without being acutely aware of how detrimental the income gap in America is and has been?
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agreed. every time i think about bill gates and how much more money he has than I, i get extremely upset. hell next week i might have to shop at trader joes rather than whole foods. might as well jump off a bridge today.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Please. Those were the dark ages and only happened because FDR got us back on the right path toward Eurotopia, where everyone has right to same outcomes. Don't ever again be fooled into believing that the things that made us different were the catalyst. It was TVA.
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i know nothing motivates me more than knowing no matter how hard i work my lazy brother will make the same amount of money.
 
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droski said:
agreed. every time i think about bill gates and how much more money he has than I, i get extremely upset. hell next week i might have to shop at trader joes rather than whole foods. might as well jump off a bridge today.
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then, all it's going to take is a couple of comments from a loony like Beck and it's Katy bar the door - full on frontal assault mode.
 
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droski said:
i know nothing motivates me more than knowing no hard i work my lazy brother will make the same amount of money.
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Funny story or not...

Worked in Germany for 5 years under the German labor laws and payroll. Lived in a small apartment building and the neighbor below was two young kids smooching off unemployment. I come home one day to find out they are off to Ibiza for a week's vacation. How can they afford that, I ask. I am then informed that German government pays for their vacation once a year so that they can get away and relieve the stress of being unemployed.

Had to climb back into my car and head to work the next day. I mean, someone has to pay for the drinks in Ibiza.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Funny story or not...

Worked in Germany for 5 years under the German labor laws and payroll. Lived in a small apartment building and the neighbor below was two young kids smooching off unemployment. I come home one day to find out they are off to Ibiza for a week's vacation. How can they afford that, I ask. I am then informed that German government pays for their vacation once a year so that they can get away and relieve the stress of being unemployed.

Had to climb back into my car and head to work the next day. I mean, someone has to pay for the drinks in Ibiza.
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but think about the lack of income gap. You just don't understand how the happiness scales work.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Funny story or not...

Worked in Germany for 5 years under the German labor laws and payroll. Lived in a small apartment building and the neighbor below was two young kids smooching off unemployment. I come home one day to find out they are off to Ibiza for a week's vacation. How can they afford that, I ask. I am then informed that German government pays for their vacation once a year so that they can get away and relieve the stress of being unemployed.

Had to climb back into my car and head to work the next day. I mean, someone has to pay for the drinks in Ibiza.
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i have a friend whose niece is on welfare (they call it something else) in england. when i went to visit she told me she went out to bars every night. i can't even afford to do that. of course she's living at home, but it doesn't sound like that bad of a life to me.
 
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droski said:
i have a friend whose niece is on welfare (they call it something else) in england. when i went to visit she told me she went out to bars every night. i can't even afford to do that. of course she's living at home, but it doesn't sound like that bad of a life to me.
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If she wasn't at home the rent, utilities and food would be subsidized which means money left over for Pub'in. Like BPV said, just don't understand the scales of happiness and sh*t.
 
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Lexvol said:
We became the world's only superpower steering away from European trends. I thought that was the whole idea behind our establishment. Did I take too many history classes before the Marxists took over academia?
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When exactly did that happen?

I mean the British put the fourth president on the run and hiding in the woods while the capital burned.

I think some historians point to the defeat of the Confederacy as a huge turning point - the war effort assembled sufficient capital to mobilize our catch-up with Europe....

Others at WWI; still others at the end of WWII.

Nixon said, "We are all Keynesians now."

I'm not exactly sure when we steered away from European trends.

From where I'm sitting, it looks to me like we simply lost the Cold War more slowly than the Russians....

Debt, joblessness, invective, vitriol, ballooning inequality, bigotry, new asymmetric wars, no regard for civil society, no unifying purpose (despite the huge 800lbs gorilla sitting in the atmosphere).....

All this from the richest country ever. Makes me wonder....
 
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utgibbs said:
When exactly did that happen?

I mean the British put the fourth president on the run and hiding in the woods while the capital burned.

I think some historians point to the defeat of the Confederacy as a huge turning point - the war effort assembled sufficient capital to mobilize our catch-up with Europe....

Others at WWI; still others at the end of WWII.

Nixon said, "We are all Keynesians now."

I'm not exactly sure when we steered away from European trends.

From where I'm sitting, it looks to me like we simply lost the Cold War more slowly than the Russians....

Debt, joblessness, invective, vitriol, ballooning inequality, bigotry, new asymmetric wars, no regard for civil society, no unifying purpose (despite the huge 800lbs gorilla sitting in the atmosphere).....

All this from the richest country ever. Makes me wonder....
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What would the world look like without our economy?

Are you sitting in a psych ward somewhere?

We have a common goal. Protecting individual rights.
 
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Lexvol said:
What would the world look like without our economy?
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THAT is a can of worms I am not going to open.

But, I will say, we are the least generous nation per capita regarding aid. If that was your meaning.

I was being serious though in my last post. I take it from your response your answer was when we signed the DoI?
 
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