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Does anyone know when the first preseason coaches poll is supposed to come out. We are less than four weeks away from the first college football game.
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Aug 4, 2005 2:09 PM
Wow! I can't believe you haven't been keeping up with things any better than this.

Do you honestly think NIKE doesn't call the shots when they're dumping millions into the place.

Unbelievable.
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No, I'm saying the fact that Nike sponsors such a huge majority of college teams means that their name will get out there. The only way they're turning the table in their favor is through volume and nothing else. That's the way they work. I personally know many, many employees. Nike has thousands of them here. They all admit Nike's marketing campaign is sheerly carpet bombing.

Say what you want about Nike, they are a legit business.
 
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Originally posted by vols3131@Aug 4, 2005 2:42 PM
I agree with you.  Anytime you get on ESPN's website or you here some analyst talking they are always dogging on UT.  There's always something on there saying that someone is in trouble or something about Fulmer needed to get his team under control.  Sure some of that is the guys faults that have done the things but this crap happens everywhere all over the nation.  So why doesn't freakin ESPN say something about those other teams?
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Yeah, but he's saying it's because they're a Nike competitor...?

What about Notre Dame and Louisville? There are too big names also sponsored by Adidas, and ESPN is all over them.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Aug 4, 2005 6:20 PM
No, I'm saying the fact that Nike sponsors such a huge majority of college teams means that their name will get out there. The only way they're turning the table in their favor is through volume and nothing else. That's the way they work. I personally know many, many employees. Nike has thousands of them here. They all admit Nike's marketing campaign is sheerly carpet bombing.

Say what you want about Nike, they are a legit business.
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I'm not arguing they're not legit. This has less to do with NIKE than it does with the caliber of people working for ESPN.

Some people, regardless of their position, never forget from week to week who pays the check.

I think it's clear that ESPN pushes the teams with NIKE logos much more than those who aren't in the NIKE camp.

I'm sure NIKE wouldn't dream of encouraging such tactics though.

And by the way. I have some ocean front lots in Knoxville if you're interested. :p
 
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I don't know what to say OldVol, Nike simply owns the contracts to sponsor almost every single major program in the country. Louisville, Tennessee and Notre Dame are the only three major programs in the country that are not sponsored by Nike. It's not a fact of ESPN pushing Nike, it's the fact that any team ESPN chooses to push has a 99% chance of having a Nike sponsorship.

It sounds nice that there would be a conspiracy, but the way the numbers stack up, it has to be coincidence.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Aug 4, 2005 6:30 PM
I don't know what to say OldVol, Nike simply owns the contracts to sponsor almost every single major program in the country. Louisville, Tennessee and Notre Dame are the only three major programs in the country that are not sponsored by Nike. It's not a fact of ESPN pushing Nike, it's the fact that any team ESPN chooses to push has a 99% chance of having a Nike sponsorship.

It sounds nice that there would be a conspiracy, but the way the numbers stack up, it has to be coincidence.
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I can't believe you're that naive Milo.

To think that the monster NIKE doesn't have influence on a network like ESPN is just, well, naive.
 
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Why would NIKE have any influence on espn??????? Espn has full control over the sports world, I really doubt NIKE controls what they do. ESPN has pretty much full control over all of the nfl network, top college football games, and is basically the major sports source of the world. I owuld say espn controls nike, no tthe other way around.
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Aug 4, 2005 1:26 PM
Would you say the same if it were political news that was being slanted to fit the philosophy of the station or reporter, which, by the way, happens all the time.

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Well, no I wouldn't. But politicians aren't supposed to be in office to make money. Sorry, I didn't mean to ignite a debate. I admit I probably spoke too hastily.

Also, as far as LSU winning the west, whoever said it was kind of a contradiction to what I said about no first year HC winning the SEC is right. It didn't occur to me. Although, I never claimed we would win the SEC. Personally, I think we will surely make it at least to the SECCG. And of course I hope we'll win it, and even you guys would agree that the preliminary signs of LSU's talent would point to us having a good shot at winning the SEC. But c'mon. I'm not dumb or arrogant enough to say we definitely will. I'm not entirely certain Auburn is as weak as everyone is saying. Even with all the talent Tubby had last year, 13-0 is just not easy to do.

I suppose this is getting a little long, so I'll retire this response for now.
 
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Originally posted by Atreus21@Aug 4, 2005 8:25 PM
Well, no I wouldn't.  But politicians aren't supposed to be in office to make money.  Sorry, I didn't mean to ignite a debate.  I admit I probably spoke too hastily. 

Also, as far as LSU winning the west, whoever said it was kind of a contradiction to what I said about no first year HC winning the SEC is right.  It didn't occur to me.  Although, I never claimed we would win the SEC.  Personally, I think we will surely make it at least to the SECCG.  And of course I hope we'll win it, and even you guys would agree that the preliminary signs of LSU's talent would point to us having a good shot at winning the SEC.  But c'mon.  I'm not dumb or arrogant enough to say we definitely will.  I'm not entirely certain Auburn is as weak as everyone is saying.  Even with all the talent Tubby had last year, 13-0 is just not easy to do. 

I suppose this is getting a little long, so I'll retire this response for now.
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Right now LSU has 2 weaknesses One being a new coach and the other the QB position. Biggest advantage is playing in the WEST.
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Aug 4, 2005 7:22 PM
Why would NIKE have any influence on espn???????  Espn has full control over the sports world,  I really doubt NIKE controls what they do.  ESPN has pretty much full control over all of the nfl network,  top college football games, and is basically the major sports source of the world.  I owuld say espn controls nike,  no tthe other way around.
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Isn't ESPN owned, or partially owned, by Disney Corp?
 
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Originally posted by Atreus21@Aug 4, 2005 8:30 PM
Isn't ESPN owned, or partially owned, by Disney Corp?
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fully owned by Disney
 
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OOOHHH so the conspircay takes an odd twist. I say lets just go egg the hell out of disney world. Me and milo will take disney land. Lets show the sons of B***hes who they are messing with.
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Aug 4, 2005 7:32 PM
fully owned by Disney
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Right. I really doubt Disney's finances hinge upon the Nike sponsorship of one of its subsidiary franchises.

This is getting awfully deep.

Eventually we're going to be blaming God for liking Nike more than Adidas.
 
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But disney owns espn huh? what did we do to piss the off huh? Did smokey bite mickey in the @$$ or something?
 
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Originally posted by vols2345@Aug 4, 2005 7:38 PM
But disney owns espn huh?  what did we do to piss the off huh?  Did smokey bite mickey in the @$$ or something?
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:dlol: :eek:lol: :lol:
 
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Originally posted by OldVol@Aug 4, 2005 5:17 PM
I can't believe you're that naive Milo.

To think that the monster NIKE doesn't have influence on a network like ESPN is just, well, naive.
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They do have influence... Because they put their name out there more than anybody else. They get almost all the good ones. Adidas sponsors 25 teams but only sponsors 3 or 4 big name teams, Russell sponsors 16 but Georgia Tech is the only team of even mild notability. Then Reebok sponsors only 4 teams, Boston College being the only notable one.

Teams get talked about by ESPN when they're good. Nike sponsors almost all good programs out there.

Naive? Look at the numbers.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Aug 4, 2005 7:40 PM
They do have influence... Because they put their name out there more than anybody else. They get almost all the good ones. Adidas sponsors 25 teams but only sponsors 3 or 4 big name teams, Russell sponsors 16 but Georgia Tech is the only team of even mild notability. Then Reebok sponsors only 4 teams, Boston College being the only notable one.

Teams get talked about by ESPN when they're good. Nike sponsors almost all good programs out there.

Naive? Look at the numbers.
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The topic is that a garment giant like NIKE could wield influence over a media such as ESPN.

ESPN is worth only a fraction of NIKE. To think the money they funnel into ESPN doesn't affect their reporting towards the teams that aren't on the NIKE payroll is, well, beyond my ability to comprehend.

I just find it difficult you can't see this. I thought I made the points pretty clear.

You keep talking about NIKE having all of the teams, and that plays perfectly into the point I'm trying to make.

You mentioned ESPN being all over ND. I don't see it.

Now they are all over USC. Oh, but USC is a NIKE darling.

Your points make my point.
 
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So what youre saying is, that if USC was sponsored by say, adidas, they wouldnt be preseason #1? Or if LSU wasnt sponsored by nike, they wouldnt be favored to wint he SEC West? I see your point OldVol, but I fail to believe that Nike would pay ESPN to hype up the teams they sponsor. Some teams get more hype than they should, but I think theres than the company that makes the uniforms behind it all.
 
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And if Nike did push their teams that hard to try and bury the competition, you would not be hearing of Notre Dame or Louisville.
 
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I think that's why Reebok was bought out by Adidas today. They want to wield more influence with ESPN. :bs:
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Aug 4, 2005 7:32 PM
fully owned by Disney
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Actually, ESPN is 80% owned by ABC which is an indirect subsidiary of Disney. The other 20% is owned by Hearst Corp.

:whistle: B)
 
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I saw Kirky H. on Sportscenter today (Thurs.) and he said besides USC, he figured the next three best shots at the whole thing are Ohio State, LSU, and LOUISVILLE...what the crap is he thinking?
 
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Originally posted by surrealvol@Aug 5, 2005 1:06 AM
I saw Kirky H. on Sportscenter today (Thurs.) and he said besides USC, he figured the next three best shots at the whole thing are Ohio State, LSU, and LOUISVILLE...what the crap is he thinking?
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Ohio St? I wonder why he put them in the hunt? :question:
 
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He's thinking Louisville is a solid team in a horrible conf. that could easily go undefeated. They're in the big Least now, dont have to worry about getting stiffed because of being a mid-major.
 
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As crazy as it sounds, it's actually plausible. I can't see LSU really doing it because of the coaching change, but they are loaded. Ohio State is definitely going to have a shot. And Louisville, as crazy as it seems, will have a shot by virtue of playing in that weak Big East.
 
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