Revisit of the 2015 Numbers

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#26
This is contrary from what I had previously read, but Ryan Callahan says he doesn't count towards the 25 limit, only the 85

Ryan Callahan:
That's how it works. If it's a "recruited" player — a guy who took an official visit to that school —*he has to count toward one signing class or another once he's placed on scholarship. If he's not a recruited player, by the NCAA's definition, he doesn't have to count toward a signing class.
Swafford not having to count toward the 2014 class saves them a spot in the class that can go to another player this year. It's going to work out well for Tennessee.

This quote was from Oct 2013
 
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JamesBenUT said:
This is contrary from what I had previously read, but Ryan Callahan says he doesn't count towards the 25 limit, only the 85

Ryan Callahan:
That's how it works. If it's a "recruited" player — a guy who took an official visit to that school —*he has to count toward one signing class or another once he's placed on scholarship. If he's not a recruited player, by the NCAA's definition, he doesn't have to count toward a signing class.
Swafford not having to count toward the 2014 class saves them a spot in the class that can go to another player this year. It's going to work out well for Tennessee.

This quote was from Oct 2013
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Was that when the talk of him being a possible GS was being discussed? I doubt if Callahan knew in Oct 2013 that Swafford would be put on scholarship going into the 2014 season. If it's within the 1st 2 years, it has to count somewhere. With UT taking every possible spot they had in 2014 and filling all past back count spots they had, I can't see how he could count anywhere but 2015.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Was that when the talk of him being a possible GS was being discussed? I doubt if Callahan knew in Oct 2013 that Swafford would be put on scholarship going into the 2014 season. If it's within the 1st 2 years, it has to count somewhere. With UT taking every possible spot they had in 2014 and filling all past back count spots they had, I can't see how he could count anywhere but 2015.
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From what I could tell, it was after his big moments in the games last year and posters were talking about the impact of him getting on sscholarship this year
 
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#29
#29
How many RS Jr's do we have that don't contribute much and are likely to graduate in May?
 
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BigVol80 said:
Tennessee scholarship roster - Evan's Eleven

This is the latest scholarship listing I can find. There are quite a few names on here that have not contributed in the last 2 years. I doubt they start contributing now with the level of incoming players being much higher than years past.
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That is the one I have been using for a while now.

Tough to say if a kid will contribute just because he has not up to this point. Most would have laughed at the idea of Gilliam starting at OT over Blair and his * rating, but things can click for a kid and all a sudden he's a viable option to see 1st team reps.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That is the one I have been using for a while now.

Tough to say if a kid will contribute just because he has not up to this point. Most would have laughed at the idea of Gilliam starting at OT over Blair and his * rating, but things can click for a kid and all a sudden he's a viable option to see 1st team reps.
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I doubt anyone on either line would lose their scholarship since it is basically our biggest position of need. WRs, LBs, and DBs that have not played in 2 years are already getting recruited over. I doubt some of them can turn the corner against even better incoming talent.
 
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BigVol80 said:
I doubt anyone on either line would lose their scholarship since it is basically our biggest position of need. WRs, LBs, and DBs that have not played in 2 years are already getting recruited over. I doubt some of them can turn the corner against even better incoming talent.
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Most fans just 4-5 months ago would have dumped Josh Smith in a heartbeat in hope that some new signee MIGHT be better. IMO having JRs and SRs has to become a priority for UT rosters going forward if the coaches expect to win in the SEC. They have to start developing the talent, and the sooner the mindset of dump everyone every year and just keep restocking with new HS *'s will continue to get us beat.
 
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#36
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Most fans just 4-5 months ago would have dumped Josh Smith in a heartbeat in hope that some new signee MIGHT be better. IMO having JRs and SRs has to become a priority for UT rosters going forward if the coaches expect to win in the SEC. They have to start developing the talent, and the sooner the mindset of dump everyone every year and just keep restocking with new HS *'s will continue to get us beat.
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When the 2014 recruits become JRs or RS SOs it might be time to stop "dumping" players. We have obviously been a team with less talent the past few years, so IMO we do need to do some restocking. We need to get to a point where we are redshirting the majority, if not all, of our freshmen instead of playing 22 true freshman.

We do need to develop talent, that I agree with, but some talent is just natural. We need to have greater talent and then hone their skills.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yeah, that link has been posted before as I remember reading it. It's also why I don't see any way Swafford does not count toward 2015 as 2014 is not an option as they took as many as they could last year.
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It's impossible to tell if they used them all last year.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Was that when the talk of him being a possible GS was being discussed? I doubt if Callahan knew in Oct 2013 that Swafford would be put on scholarship going into the 2014 season. If it's within the 1st 2 years, it has to count somewhere. With UT taking every possible spot they had in 2014 and filling all past back count spots they had, I can't see how he could count anywhere but 2015.
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That's why he was originally offered a grayshirt...scholarship for 2014...he couldn't wait and paid his own way as a walkon...so nothing's changed numbers wise.
 
#39
#39
George Bullock is planning to join the Coast Guard at Christmas.....a rumor.......I heard........
 
#40
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KBVol said:
Sorry if I'm not making my point clear. The point both Callahan and Swain made very clear is that attrition does not have an impact on the number of players we can sign. If we dismiss another 20 players for whatever reason, our recruiting class is not going to balloon to 45.
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true but the walk on players will..
 
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Crookruss said:
It's impossible to tell if they used them all last year.
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No it isn't. If CBJ could have taken another recruit last year, I think most know he would have. There were several kids even up till NSD waiting to see if UT had room for them. Also just after NSD I believe someone broke it down the last 2-3 classes and how the staff got to 33 last year and how the back counts had all been filled in.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
No it isn't. If CBJ could have taken another recruit last year, I think most know he would have. There were several kids even up till NSD waiting to see if UT had room for them. Also just after NSD I believe someone broke it down the last 2-3 classes and how the staff got to 33 last year and how the back counts had all been filled in.
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Sorry if I missed something today but what you are saying is the number is still 24 with Swafford being 25 plus we still need to loose more current players to get to 24?
 
#43
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Yeah, that link has been posted before as I remember reading it. It's also why I don't see any way Swafford does not count toward 2015 as 2014 is not an option as they took as many as they could last year.
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I dont think they took all they could. Lambert was a last minute flip and we never filled his spot.
 
#44
#44
How about Charlie Davidson? Running back out of Blackman. Dude is tough. Doesn't have great speed but reminds me of Emmitt Smith. Strong, good vision, hard to bring down with good enough speed to break off some long runs. Has small college offers now but he has been impressive and could blow up.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I don't even know why people worry about numbers after what we did last season. Numbers crunch just means alot of people want to come to your school so you choose your favorite ones
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I agree. Also we should just trust CBJ because none of us here on VN understand numbers in reality.
 
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#46
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LebanonVolunteer said:
No it isn't. If CBJ could have taken another recruit last year, I think most know he would have. There were several kids even up till NSD waiting to see if UT had room for them. Also just after NSD I believe someone broke it down the last 2-3 classes and how the staff got to 33 last year and how the back counts had all been filled in.
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Conjecture is not fact.
 
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PassedOutAwake said:
I dont think they took all they could. Lambert was a last minute flip and we never filled his spot.
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Everything I have seen/read has said CBJ took all the spots he had available last year.

Lambert de-committed in mid Dec, and UT added several recruits after that including Robertson and Sawyers. I think one of them likely filled Lambert's spot after he bailed.
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
No RB necessary. As long as Kamara and Reid stay committed, we are just fine. We have Scott and Hurd for at least 2 years after this, Kamara would be the same. Young RB's can make big impacts. Need more help next cycle, but the 2 we have currently is plenty.

Need OL and DL help. would focus there and maybe take another secondary guy.
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I say we take a rb in this class we don't what happened to Georgia last year to happen to us imo
 
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#50
#50
Let other players go if we land Tuttle? If we beat UGA and then UF do we make way for the influx of recruits that will come to UT?

This isn't a recruiting question but a main form question and if you move it again, I'm done here. This is a main board question and I would like an answer
 
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