Richard Gage, AIA, Architecht - "How the Towers Fell"

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Volunteer_Kirby

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Listen, I know what many of you are thinking. "Great. Another one? I've seen enough and to even think such a thing would only be believed by narrow-minded conspiracy nuts or Bush haters." However your case, I humbly suggest you watch this video. The covered-up flaws he points are, in my opinion, more than concrete. He states that the towers collapsed due to controlled demolition and then provides more than enough facts/details for one to rightfully question this disaster. Whatever your beef, put it aside and watch. It's two hours long, so you could easily span this accross a few days so it's not eating up all your free time.

One of the most interesting things I think in the video is what he said about the FEMA funding vs the Monica Lewensky/Clinton scandal. FEMA-600,000 vs Clinton-20,000,000. Those numbers might be off because that's from my memory, but he brings it up early in the video.

Richard Gage, AIA, Architect - "How The Towers Fell" - Complete 2 Hour Presentation | 911Blogger.com

Enjoy and discuss.
 
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no point in discussing another Alex Jones-type conspiracy nut. I don't have any need or desire to watch his film either. Bush and Co. have done a lot of stupid things, but 9-11 isn't one of those things.
 
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MG1968 said:
no point in discussing another Alex Jones-type conspiracy nut. I don't have any need or desire to watch his film either. Bush and Co. have done a lot of stupid things, but 9-11 isn't one of those things.
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If you didn't watch it, why even comment? If you would watch even the first 15 minutes, you would see it's not 'another Alex-type conspiracy nut'.

Ignorance is bliss. :yes:
 
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MG1968 said:
no point in discussing another Alex Jones-type conspiracy nut. I don't have any need or desire to watch his film either. Bush and Co. have done a lot of stupid things, but 9-11 isn't one of those things.
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You should Google PNAC while you're at it.
 
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there are few issues that I'm what you could consider "close minded" on. this is one of those few. If it's your learned opinion that I am ignorant, then that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. I could think the same of you as well, since you're so eager to believe the conspiracy above the fact that 19 Middle Eastern, Islamic terrorists committed the hijacking and flew the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

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and if you think that Richard Gage isn't another Alex Jones type wacko, you need to check out the associated links on 911blogger.com's front page.

also, here's an "article" from a related site detailing how Cindy Sheehan thinks there will be another staged attack on US soil, perpetrated so Bush can declare martial law and remain the POTUS. Sheehan: Distinct Chance Of Staged Attack, Martial Law. If ever there was a credible source into the inner workings of the Bush Administration, it's a bitter old woman who tragically lost her son in Iraq.

so you'll have to pardon me if I think your hero Richard Gage is little more than a Chicken Little.
 
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MG1968 said:
there are few issues that I'm what you could consider "close minded" on. this is one of those few. If it's your learned opinion that I am ignorant, then that is your opinion and you're welcome to it. I could think the same of you as well, since you're so eager to believe the conspiracy above the fact that 19 Middle Eastern, Islamic terrorists committed the hijacking and flew the planes into the WTC and the Pentagon.

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and if you think that Richard Gage isn't another Alex Jones type wacko, you need to check out the associated links on 911blogger.com's front page.

also, here's an "article" from a related site detailing how Cindy Sheehan thinks there will be another staged attack on US soil, perpetrated so Bush can declare martial law and remain the POTUS. Sheehan: Distinct Chance Of Staged Attack, Martial Law. If ever there was a credible source into the inner workings of the Bush Administration, it's a bitter old woman who tragically lost her son in Iraq.

so you'll have to pardon me if I think your hero Richard Gage is little more than a Chicken Little.
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What baffles me is that you say you're close-minded on the issue, yet you still care to comment and degrade the given source in order to promote another. That doesn't make a lot of sense, even more so because you haven't watch the video.

Also, just because Cindy Sheenan is the mother of a lost soldier, that doesn't mean she is a credible source. There are hundreds of 'bitter old' women who have lost their sons and daughters, too. I'm not discrediting her, I'm just stating the obvious.

Another thing. Richard Gage is a well-known architect who has researched the issue for twelve plus months, yet given his knowledge of structural engeneering, he is still 'little more than a Chicken Little'. Why is he no more than a 'Chicken Little' in your eyes? Because everyone who follows an opinion that differs from yours regarding 9/11 is, what, not credible? You're not really makin' a whole lot of sense here, MG1968.

On a side note: I'm not eager to believe. I don't want to believe. But given the evidence at hand, I cannot do more than distrust what our government has covertly done to make 'believable'.
 
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I can assure you that Richard Gage covers this issue and debunks it. In the video, there are supplementary videos that support Gage's claim. 2 being firefighters and policemen stating 'this building is going' down, telling people to move blocks back in order to safely clear of the area. This, of course, was minutes before the official collapse. Coincidence? No. There was also a news report where a reporter announced Tower 7 had collapsed yet, in the backround, it was still standing. If you would, please, watch the video with some of your spare time so you can see the point of view which Richard Gage presents. That a way, you can better feel where I'm comin' from.
 
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That's the spirit. Now, hurry, go drink the Kool-Aid before logic kicks in and you come to a realization. :p
 
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Seriously? The very thought that our gov't could keep quiet the thousands of people that would need to be involved is just nuts. These ideas have been blown out of the water multiple times yet people keep bringing them up.
 

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Don't have time to read or watch. I will just listen to Art Bell...but...out of curiosity, does he address previous terrorist attempts to blow the building up?
 
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In years to come it will probably be proven that the terrorists did do what the majority think they did. And that the conspiracy theorists were wrong as they usually are, after all if the US government took down their own world trade centers what would be the gain in doing so? But to be so set in concrete as to laugh and make fun of theories put forward without you yourself being hands on with the evidence and on site I believe is being somewhat narrowminded. In a governmant that has CIA and other unadvertised government entities that have and continue to do black ops and other programs why are we so quick to say...nah it could never happen and your an idiot to even consider it.
 
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Lexvol said:
Don't have time to read or watch. I will just listen to Art Bell...but...out of curiosity, does he address previous terrorist attempts to blow the building up?
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The fact that terrorists had tried to blow up the WTC in 1993 and that it's well documented how they did it usually doesn't come up in these conspiracy theories.
 
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GAVol said:
The fact that terrorists had tried to blow up the WTC in 1993 and that it's well documented how they did it usually doesn't come up in these conspiracy theories.
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You don't say....:crazy:
 
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WOW. Didn't think I would wake up to another Michael Moore coming out the woodwork here this morning on our great board. This is setting up to be a wonderful day.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
I can assure you that Richard Gage covers this issue and debunks it. In the video, there are supplementary videos that support Gage's claim. 2 being firefighters and policemen stating 'this building is going' down, telling people to move blocks back in order to safely clear of the area. This, of course, was minutes before the official collapse. Coincidence? No. There was also a news report where a reporter announced Tower 7 had collapsed yet, in the backround, it was still standing. If you would, please, watch the video with some of your spare time so you can see the point of view which Richard Gage presents. That a way, you can better feel where I'm comin' from.
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I haven't watched it yet and will watch part if I have time.

However, the examples you cite in this passage have no impact. What is surprising about firement suggesting a building is coming down. I would imagine that is a pretty common assessment for a firefighter in such a situation. As for the newsreporter, this gets even stranger. The suggestion naturally follows that this (and other) newsreporters were in on it.

What I've never seen addressed in any reasonable matter is the scope of the conspiracy - how many had to be involved to plan, plant and execute. Now, this suggests that firefighters and news media were part of the plan? It just doesn't meet any credibility standard.
 
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volinbham said:
I haven't watched it yet and will watch part if I have time.

However, the examples you cite in this passage have no impact. What is surprising about firement suggesting a building is coming down. I would imagine that is a pretty common assessment for a firefighter in such a situation. As for the newsreporter, this gets even stranger. The suggestion naturally follows that this (and other) newsreporters were in on it.

What I've never seen addressed in any reasonable matter is the scope of the conspiracy - how many had to be involved to plan, plant and execute. Now, this suggests that firefighters and news media were part of the plan? It just doesn't meet any credibility standard.
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Agreed. You would have over 5,000-10,000 people involved if not more. The only way to keep them all shut is to kill them because people still talk when they are paid off now a days.
 
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Okay, I watched the first 30 minutes. This man is convinced. The presentation is an interesting mix of detailed facts about what "happens" in demolition vs. fire and sweeping generalizations about other issues.

An example on a fact detail. WTC7 clearly is the most puzzling collapse. He shows it side by side and claims to show explosions at the top of the building like in a known demolition. The spots he refers to look nothing alike - the known demolition shows clear horizontal shots or squibs. The WTC shot shows dark patches which could? be something else - structural evidence of the collapse? It is presented as fact that they are controlled explosive signs. It is opinion not fact.

Less convincing was the handling of NST, FEMA and other "official" investigations. He dismisses them as biased since many of the experts work for defense contractors. Clearly they are now part of the cover up.

I'd be curious to know how the following issues are addressed:

1) sheer number of people that would have to be complicit in the planning, execution and cover up.

2) real motive that would convince all those in #1

3) explanation for the 19 perps.

4) explanation for bin Laden taking credit for this.

5) acknowledgment that WTC and the attack by jumbo jets is a completely unique situation and therefore the collapse of these buildings might not be understood for some time.
 
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Kirby - This is another crap theory for someone who doesn't trust the government. They try to prove things that aren't there and look stupid as in this 9-11 case. So, in the future if they do ever stumble across something no one will believe. As VolinBham has written above, presenting opinions as facts.
 
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While I'm at it, here's a few other concepts that don't mesh with the government did it theory.

1) Gage makes a concerted effort to claim only a handful of companies in the world could bring down the buildings via controlled demolition.

- could any of those companies do so undetected? could they set up the charges (thousands) and mechanisms in 3 WTC buildings without being noticed?

- presumably this is such a unique skill that it would need to be contracted out. Would any of these expert companies agree to such a nefarious plot?

2) Given #1, extensive planning would be required going down to the level of planted cops and firemen. How would the government be able to plan and execute this for a particular date when the significance of that date was not known until August when the terrorist chatter was peaking? Was all this terrorist chatter planted as well? How about the flight training for the terrorists? This occurred long before the chatter but presumably had to be part of the "plan" since no one can deny that planes were flown into the towers.

In short, Gage strikes me as someone who sees a phenomena he feels doesn't fit with his knowledge of structural engineering. He believes it looks like demolition so he attempts to confirm that theory rather than accept other possible causes. The problem comes in trying to answer the other questions vis a vis a govt. conspiracy.
 
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Very well said, God Bless America, 9/11 was a tragedy and it is a shame these loonies are coming out of the wood work with crap like this while the victims have lost loved ones forever,
 
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GAVol said:
The fact that terrorists had tried to blow up the WTC in 1993 and that it's well documented how they did it usually doesn't come up in these conspiracy theories.
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I'm not saying the gov't knew these guys were terrorists or were planning to crash into the WTC but if they wanted it to happen all they had to do was turn a blind eye to 19 terrorists entering the country seeking flight training.
 
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oklavol said:
I'm not saying the gov't knew these guys were terrorists or were planning to crash into the WTC but if they wanted it to happen all they had to do was turn a blind eye to 19 terrorists entering the country seeking flight training.
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What do you think about Pearl Harbor?
 
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