Richard Gage, AIA, Architecht - "How the Towers Fell"

[WA_Vol]

What do you think about Pearl Harbor?

I think the evidence that FDR knew beforehand that the Japanese were planning to attack Pearl Harbor is overwhelming.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

So is there any W hate for FDR?

FDR caused the great depression?

FDR loaded the supreme court to pass all of his social welfare programs?

It is Bush's fault I tell you!

:acute:

 

[WA_Vol]

So is there any W hate for FDR?

FDR caused the great depression?

FDR loaded the supreme court to pass all of his social welfare programs?

It is Bush's fault I tell you!

:acute:

No one in the public had any evidence, until historians started digging up Pearl Harbor info 50 yrs later.

FDR wasn't in office when the Great Depression started.

He was President for almost 16 yrs, so yeah he definitely had an opportunity to load the Supreme Court.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

No one in the public had any evidence, until historians started digging up Pearl Harbor info 50 yrs later.

FDR wasn't in office when the Great Depression started.

He was President for almost 16 yrs, so yeah he definitely had an opportunity to load the Supreme Court.

Ah, that is the beauty of it, he set every thing up just like Bush did before he gained office.

He did load the supreme court, that is without question......

:yes:

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Seriously? The very thought that our gov't could keep quiet the thousands of people that would need to be involved is just nuts. These ideas have been blown out of the water multiple times yet people keep bringing them up.

For instance, which ideas have been blown out of the water? Perhaps you could be referring to Popular Mechanics, “Debunking 9/11 Lies”? Well, how about “Debunking 9/11 Lies” being debunked? Here’s the link. Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies There is a reason people keep bringing this theory up, utvolpj. Most have an idea of the reason, too. And I’m not bringing it up because I want to believe our government has orchestrated the Twin Towers + WT7 collapse. I DO NOT want to believe that, it’s just too inhumane. But again, as more logical illustrations, view points, facts, videos, books, evidence and studies come out, the more believable this ‘conspiracy theory’ is. “That’s the point of these theories, Kirby.” That’s a fair point taken, one of which I’ve taken into consideration many times. But my decision is made up. If one wishes to present a differing opinion by making logical statements, something that makes rational sense, and is not condescending, rude, immature, or ignorant, I’m ALL ears.

Also, if you think they couldn’t keep quiet thousands of people, well, I suggest you take a look at the Manhattan Project or even Operation Northwood’s memo.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Don't have time to read or watch. I will just listen to Art Bell...but...out of curiosity, does he address previous terrorist attempts to blow the building up?

Rex, the video mainly sticks to the subject on how the towers fell, leaving you to make your own decision. He clearly states this video is for all who were lost at 9/11, for their family, friends, co-workers and is also for the people as a whole.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

In years to come it will probably be proven that the terrorists did do what the majority think they did. And that the conspiracy theorists were wrong as they usually are, after all if the US government took down their own world trade centers what would be the gain in doing so? But to be so set in concrete as to laugh and make fun of theories put forward without you yourself being hands on with the evidence and on site I believe is being somewhat narrowminded. In a governmant that has CIA and other unadvertised government entities that have and continue to do black ops and other programs why are we so quick to say...nah it could never happen and your an idiot to even consider it.

Well, dan4vols, I hope you’re right. I really do hope concrete proof leaks that the terrorists are 100% responsible. But, that doesn’t look very likely. Why would the government do so, you ask? That’s an unanswerable question, one I hate to even think about. WT7 held tons of crucial information that was lost and the owner received near-$500 million profit because of insurance. The Twin Towers would take billions of dollars to take down in a legit way. One of the two could be a reason, who knows; I’m not so sure I would want to hear the real reason anymore.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

WOW. Didn't think I would wake up to another Michael Moore coming out the woodwork here this morning on our great board. This is setting up to be a wonderful day.

I find it intriguing that because a person believing the U.S. government had orchestrated the 9/11 fiasco makes your day better. Why does that make one pleased? I am, the “nut”, believing the worst possible case scenario about 9/11 and you are taking serene pleasure from it. I’ve said it before, it’s not a thought I would like to believe. I’m a reasonable guy, one who is very open-minded, but I do feel the need to defend the issue.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

I haven't watched it yet and will watch part if I have time.

However, the examples you cite in this passage have no impact. What is surprising about firement suggesting a building is coming down. I would imagine that is a pretty common assessment for a firefighter in such a situation. As for the newsreporter, this gets even stranger. The suggestion naturally follows that this (and other) newsreporters were in on it.

What I've never seen addressed in any reasonable matter is the scope of the conspiracy - how many had to be involved to plan, plant and execute. Now, this suggests that firefighters and news media were part of the plan? It just doesn't meet any credibility standard.

That’s a fair point. But, all I did was cite two things. I don’t expect them to have much of an impact, more-so just food for thought. In the video, the authorities were recorded saying other things that would suggest they knew the towers were coming down. Also, for all we know, they were given orders to get the hell out of there and tell everyone to clear the area. There was obviously foreknowledge of this happening. Even Rudolph Giuliani admitted he had foreword that the towers were going to collapse. Is it not a plausible situation? What, too deep? Well, it’s supposed to be deep, people. As for the main-stream media, I don’t know about you, but I’ve learned to take anything said on their programs very lightly. I expect a news station’s main intent to inform the people of the biggest issues & news around the area, country & world. Despite the stories they’re presenting, the main-stream media always has the viewer ratings in mind first. I also believe they’re output is too restricted. Of course, my opinion differs from that of many others regarding the media/news, but that’s just how I’m seeing it.

volinbham, would you rather me elaborate on the bigger, finer points in the presentation? I could do that, but I want people to watch the video themselves, determine their own opinion, changed or not, and then have a reasonable discussion.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

For instance, which ideas have been blown out of the water? Perhaps you could be referring to Popular Mechanics, “Debunking 9/11 Lies”? Well, how about “Debunking 9/11 Lies” being debunked? Here’s the link. Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies There is a reason people keep bringing this theory up, utvolpj. Most have an idea of the reason, too. And I’m not bringing it up because I want to believe our government has orchestrated the Twin Towers + WT7 collapse. I DO NOT want to believe that, it’s just too inhumane. But again, as more logical illustrations, view points, facts, videos, books, evidence and studies come out, the more believable this ‘conspiracy theory’ is. “That’s the point of these theories, Kirby.” That’s a fair point taken, one of which I’ve taken into consideration many times. But my decision is made up. If one wishes to present a differing opinion by making logical statements, something that makes rational sense, and is not condescending, rude, immature, or ignorant, I’m ALL ears.

Also, if you think they couldn’t keep quiet thousands of people, well, I suggest you take a look at the Manhattan Project or even Operation Northwood’s memo.

Dude, you need to put down the pipe and step away. We all know the government is low down sometimes, but really do you think for a second if ANY of this was true and the American people found out, do you know what would happen?? You think the Revolutionary and Civil War were bad, every politician in DC would be slain then and now. There would be no court room for this, it would be carnage and the military would step back and either let it happen or help us take care of business. Really though man, leave the conspiracy theories to the people who have no life and something to try and prove to themselves.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I find it intriguing that because a person believing the U.S. government had orchestrated the 9/11 fiasco makes your day better. Why does that make one pleased? I am, the “nut”, believing the worst possible case scenario about 9/11 and you are taking serene pleasure from it. I’ve said it before, it’s not a thought I would like to believe. I’m a reasonable guy, one who is very open-minded, but I do feel the need to defend the issue.

No, I was being sarcastic Kirby. BTW, sometimes being open-minded about too many things will set you up for a great fall. If you feel the need to defend these people, go for it, but remember this, our media is about as far-left Bush hatin' as it gets and even they know what you are watching is a bunch of crap.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Anyways Kirby goto bed bro, its late and people get more delusional the longer they go without sleep (that is sarcastic and I am just giving you a hard time bro).

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Okay, I watched the first 30 minutes. This man is convinced. The presentation is an interesting mix of detailed facts about what "happens" in demolition vs. fire and sweeping generalizations about other issues.

An example on a fact detail. WTC7 clearly is the most puzzling collapse. He shows it side by side and claims to show explosions at the top of the building like in a known demolition. The spots he refers to look nothing alike - the known demolition shows clear horizontal shots or squibs. The WTC shot shows dark patches which could? be something else - structural evidence of the collapse? It is presented as fact that they are controlled explosive signs. It is opinion not fact.

Less convincing was the handling of NST, FEMA and other "official" investigations. He dismisses them as biased since many of the experts work for defense contractors. Clearly they are now part of the cover up.

I'd be curious to know how the following issues are addressed:

1) sheer number of people that would have to be complicit in the planning, execution and cover up.

2) real motive that would convince all those in #1

3) explanation for the 19 perps.

4) explanation for bin Laden taking credit for this.

5) acknowledgment that WTC and the attack by jumbo jets is a completely unique situation and therefore the collapse of these buildings might not be understood for some time.

Regarding WT7, what spots are you referring to? Would that be the “squibs”? Explain how you perceive that to be structural evidence of a collapse due to very light structural damage. I’ve watched the collapse over and over. Nothing presented by NST or FEMA explained it. Those would be the first steel high-rise building EVER to collapse how they were explained by the NST/FEMA. The buildings were designed with resistance in mind, which heavily contradicts what the building would be capable of doing with the type of damage in mind. Here’s a closer look at what he’s talking about.

Also, Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, said on a 2002 PBS documentary, “America Rebuilds”, the he and the NYFD decided to “pull” WTC7 on the day of the attack. It’s pretty evident what “pull” implied.

Bham, he is dismissing the NST & FEMA investigations because the information they released is incorrect. He points out many, many fallacies in their publicized work. Then, afterwards, he is explaining how they are wrong. That only points to the NST / FEMA’s finding as wrong or biased. How many wrongs can there be before it is written off as biased? I’ll leave that up to you, but Gage’s and the “conspiracy nuts’” findings clearly point out enough for one to believe the sources are biased.

1) They are not addressed in the video, simply because this is just a presentation as to how the towers fell.

2) Unanswerable by my knowledge. It’s interesting, though, that in February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. That’s a profit of about $500 million.

3) In the video it’s noted that some of the ‘perps’ were still alive. Whether that is correct or not, it’s hard to know for sure, but many sources have cited the same thing. The FBI released incorrect names, hopefully due to a case of mistaken identity. For instance, here is just one story on the “hijackers”. FBI Denies Mix-Up Of 9/11 Terrorists

4) Scapegoat? IIRC, Al Qaeda was the name given to the supposed ‘masterminds’ just days after the attack. Never before was the name Al Qaeda brought up. I could be wrong on that, because the memory is sketchy, but feel free to make the correction. Also, you might ask yourself who gained more out of this travesty, Osama Bin Ladin, who has stated his goal is to repel foreign intervention out of the Middle East, or the Neo-Cons that had wanted this War before Bush was elected. Bush said "this job would be a lot easier if I was a dictator" and he's made himself one. Bush has also said himself that the U.S. Constitution was “just a *******ned piece of paper” and he’s flushed it down the toilet along with many rights you might still think we have. And Paul Wolfowitz, not long before the attacks on 9/11, said “America needs another catalyzing event” to compel us into war.

Our country has a vast history of staging “terrorist” attacks in order to physiologically induce fear. One example of this fear tactic is Operation Northwoods – The United States was looking for justification for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. Here is the memo: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
5) That could be addressed just as you said. Still, with the current scientific findings, traces of the use of Thermate were definitely founded. Therefore, Thermate must be the main culprit for the extremely fast collapse.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Regarding WT7, what spots are you referring to? Would that be the “squibs”? Explain how you perceive that to be structural evidence of a collapse due to very light structural damage. I’ve watched the collapse over and over. Nothing presented by NST or FEMA explained it. Those would be the first steel high-rise building EVER to collapse how they were explained by the NST/FEMA. The buildings were designed with resistance in mind, which heavily contradicts what the building would be capable of doing with the type of damage in mind. Here’s a closer look at what he’s talking about. http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2004/281104squib.jpg
Also, Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, said on a 2002 PBS documentary, “America Rebuilds”, the he and the NYFD decided to “pull” WTC7 on the day of the attack. It’s pretty evident what “pull” implied.

Bham, he is dismissing the NST & FEMA investigations because the information they released is incorrect. He points out many, many fallacies in their publicized work. Then, afterwards, he is explaining how they are wrong. That only points to the NST / FEMA’s finding as wrong or biased. How many wrongs can there be before it is written off as biased? I’ll leave that up to you, but Gage’s and the “conspiracy nuts’” findings clearly point out enough for one to believe the sources are biased.

1) They are not addressed in the video, simply because this is just a presentation as to how the towers fell.

2) Unanswerable by my knowledge. It’s interesting, though, that in February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. That’s a profit of about $500 million.

3) In the video it’s noted that some of the ‘perps’ were still alive. Whether that is correct or not, it’s hard to know for sure, but many sources have cited the same thing. The FBI released incorrect names, hopefully due to a case of mistaken identity. For instance, here is just one story on the “hijackers”. FBI Denies Mix-Up Of 9/11 Terrorists

4) Scapegoat? IIRC, Al Qaeda was the name given to the supposed ‘masterminds’ just days after the attack. Never before was the name Al Qaeda brought up. I could be wrong on that, because the memory is sketchy, but feel free to make the correction. Also, you might ask yourself who gained more out of this travesty, Osama Bin Ladin, who has stated his goal is to repel foreign intervention out of the Middle East, or the Neo-Cons that had wanted this War before Bush was elected. Bush said "this job would be a lot easier if I was a dictator" and he's made himself one. Bush has also said himself that the U.S. Constitution was “just a *******ned piece of paper” and he’s flushed it down the toilet along with many rights you might still think we have. And Paul Wolfowitz, not long before the attacks on 9/11, said “America needs another catalyzing event” to compel us into war.

Our country has a vast history of staging “terrorist” attacks in order to physiologically induce fear. One example of this fear tactic is Operation Northwoods – The United States was looking for justification for U.S. military intervention in Cuba. Here is the memo: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
5) That could be addressed just as you said. Still, with the current scientific findings, traces of the use of Thermate were definitely founded. Therefore, Thermate must be the main culprit for the extremely fast collapse.

:no:

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

While I'm at it, here's a few other concepts that don't mesh with the government did it theory.

1) Gage makes a concerted effort to claim only a handful of companies in the world could bring down the buildings via controlled demolition.

- could any of those companies do so undetected? could they set up the charges (thousands) and mechanisms in 3 WTC buildings without being noticed?

- presumably this is such a unique skill that it would need to be contracted out. Would any of these expert companies agree to such a nefarious plot?

2) Given #1, extensive planning would be required going down to the level of planted cops and firemen. How would the government be able to plan and execute this for a particular date when the significance of that date was not known until August when the terrorist chatter was peaking? Was all this terrorist chatter planted as well? How about the flight training for the terrorists? This occurred long before the chatter but presumably had to be part of the "plan" since no one can deny that planes were flown into the towers.

In short, Gage strikes me as someone who sees a phenomena he feels doesn't fit with his knowledge of structural engineering. He believes it looks like demolition so he attempts to confirm that theory rather than accept other possible causes. The problem comes in trying to answer the other questions vis a vis a govt. conspiracy.

1) Yes, the charges could be set up. Each tower had 6 central support collums, so ‘thousands’ of devices may have not been needed. When could they set these up? Here’s a quote from someone who worked in Fiduciary Trust on the 90th, 94-97th floors of the South Tower:

"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...
"Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work."

Another eyewitness whose office was near the WTC said he was standing among a crowd, on Church Street, which is about 2 ½ blocks away from the South Tower, when he saw "a number of brief light sources being emitted from inside the building between floors 10 and 15." He saw about six of these brief flashes, accompanied by "a crackling sound" before the tower collapsed. Each tower had six central support columns.


Louie Cacchioli was one of the first firefighters second tower and he told People Weekly on Sept. 24: "I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there were bombs set in the building."


Kim White, an employee on the 80th floor also reported hearing an explosion. "All of a sudden the building shook, then it started to sway. We didn't know what was going on," she told People. "We got all our people on the floor into the stairwell ... at that time we all thought it was a fire ... We got down as far as the 74th floor ... then there was another explosion." - http://www.rense.com/general17/eyewitnessreportspersist.htm


To your second point: Yes, if they want to abide by their contract, it’s possible.


2) If it was known for sure how the government planned and executed this down to every detail, chances are, this conversation wouldn’t be taking place. Our government received mass amounts of warnings and you can easily view some stories of what I’m talking about in here: Prison Planet - 9/11 Prior Knowledge Archive

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

No, I was being sarcastic Kirby. BTW, sometimes being open-minded about too many things will set you up for a great fall. If you feel the need to defend these people, go for it, but remember this, our media is about as far-left Bush hatin' as it gets and even they know what you are watching is a bunch of crap.

And I will continue to defend. :good!:

Anyways Kirby goto bed bro, its late and people get more delusional the longer they go without sleep (that is sarcastic and I am just giving you a hard time bro).

I sleep 5 hours a day and I just woke up 45 minutes ago, so I'm fully refreshed.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

And I will continue to defend. :good!:



I sleep 5 hours a day and I just woke up 45 minutes ago, so I'm fully refreshed.

Just wondering, why defend these wackos who come up with this crap?? What do you get out of it?? I don't defend anyone for the most part, because everyone has to answer for what they do themselves.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Just wondering, why defend these wackos who come up with this crap?? What do you get out of it?? I don't defend anyone for the most part, because everyone has to answer for what they do themselves.

Simply put: "Whackos" did not come up with this crap. The "whackos" merely put details together, observed the collapse very closely to find visible proof of controlled demolition, then combined with many eye-witness reports, plus just used logic which isn't as far-fetched as you apparently think. As for your last comment. What about the victims? How can they answer for theirsevles? I strongly believe the government covertly decieved the people into believing the buildings fell due to the plane crashes. If you look at the details closely, it was quite the opposite. A lot of evidence has pointed to a government-run controlled demolition. Believe what you will, but it baffles me how people aren't taking all these facts into consideration. Most people just write them off without even observing said "conspiracy" articles.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Simply put: "Whackos" did not come up with this crap. The "whackos" merely put details together, observed the collapse very closely to find visible proof of controlled demolition, then combined with many eye-witness reports, plus just used logic which isn't as far-fetched as you apparently think. As for your last comment. What about the victims? How can they answer for theirsevles? I strongly believe the government covertly decieved the people into believing the buildings fell due to the plane crashes. If you look at the details closely, it was quite the opposite. A lot of evidence has pointed to a government-run controlled demolition. Believe what you will, but it baffles me how people aren't taking all these facts into consideration. Most people just write them off without even observing said "conspiracy" articles.

Well you can find 10 different ways to come up with the same answer most of the time, and this is just one of them I guess. I am glad you are taking the time to look all this up, at least I can say you want to hold our government accountable, which is a good thing. Just remember something though, when you cry foul play enough and there is nothing that in "common sense" points to, then you become less credible. Trust me man, it pains me to remember 9-11 even though it didn't affect me directly. The one thing that gets on my nerves though is we are still as unsecure for the most part as we were on 9-11, but yet they say "Do you remember??" when talking about how terrorism affects our lives. If they don't do something soon about the border situation, then they will be in the same boat as the conspiracy theorists are in, crying "wolf" with no one caring.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Well you can find 10 different ways to come up with the same answer most of the time, and this is just one of them I guess. I am glad you are taking the time to look all this up, at least I can say you want to hold our government accountable, which is a good thing. Just remember something though, when you cry foul play enough and there is nothing that in "common sense" points to, then you become less credible. Trust me man, it pains me to remember 9-11 even though it didn't affect me directly. The one thing that gets on my nerves though is we are still as unsecure for the most part as we were on 9-11, but yet they say "Do you remember??" when talking about how terrorism affects our lives. If they don't do something soon about the border situation, then they will be in the same boat as the conspiracy theorists are in, crying "wolf" with no one caring.

I don't fully understand your first sentence, can you explain a bit more? Listen, I don't "want to hold our government accountable", I have to. I wish I could just write this theory off, but it's not that simple; too many things add up. Also, "there is nothing that in "common sense" points to, then you become less credible." My mind must be really lost right now, but that's not makin' a whole lot of sense. Further elaborate what you implied, please. Calling foul play is not something I truely want to be doing, get that straight. I 'call it as I see it'. You pointed out the problem for me. "No one caring", not many people are truely taking measures into their own hands because of the negative labels and the always "ignorance" that surfaces when confronted with someone that has an opposing opinion. In this case, you will amost always find opposite opinions on this matter, where you are literally seperated into two opposing belief groups. Yet if you watch, you see more shots taken at the conspiracy theorists than anything else, which almost always leaves a bitter taste about the other person with the opposing belief. Gotta hate the hate that comes with this issue.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I don't fully understand your first sentence, can you explain a bit more? Listen, I don't "want to hold our government accountable", I have to. I wish I could just write this theory off, but it's not that simple; too many things add up. Also, "there is nothing that in "common sense" points to, then you become less credible." My mind must be really lost right now, but that's not makin' a whole lot of sense. Further elaborate what you implied, please. Calling foul play is not something I truely want to be doing, get that straight. I 'call it as I see it'. You pointed out the problem for me. "No one caring", not many people are truely taking measures into their own hands because of the negative labels and the always "ignorance" that surfaces when confronted with someone that has an opposing opinion. In this case, you will amost always find opposite opinions on this matter, where you are literally seperated into two opposing belief groups. Yet if you watch, you see more shots taken at the conspiracy theorists than anything else, which almost always leaves a bitter taste about the other person with the opposing belief. Gotta hate the hate that comes with this issue.

It really looks like this is more of an obsession with you than anything else. I'm bowing out to the "black helicopter" here, because this is not a conversation to win or prove a point but one you want to convince us that this is true. This is about as true as Bama never cheating.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I don't fully understand your first sentence, can you explain a bit more? Listen, I don't "want to hold our government accountable", I have to. I wish I could just write this theory off, but it's not that simple; too many things add up. Also, "there is nothing that in "common sense" points to, then you become less credible." My mind must be really lost right now, but that's not makin' a whole lot of sense. Further elaborate what you implied, please. Calling foul play is not something I truely want to be doing, get that straight. I 'call it as I see it'. You pointed out the problem for me. "No one caring", not many people are truely taking measures into their own hands because of the negative labels and the always "ignorance" that surfaces when confronted with someone that has an opposing opinion. In this case, you will amost always find opposite opinions on this matter, where you are literally seperated into two opposing belief groups. Yet if you watch, you see more shots taken at the conspiracy theorists than anything else, which almost always leaves a bitter taste about the other person with the opposing belief. Gotta hate the hate that comes with this issue.

The first sentence just means that I believe one way and you believe another, yet we come to the same conclusion and in this case its that the WTC fell and it was a cowardly attack. You believe it was our government, I believe Osama and his crew were responsible. BTW, I don't believe IMO that you have very much of a commercial/industrial structure building background of buildings constructed in the late 60s early 70s. I think you are just taking someone else's opinion and making your own here without looking at the other side and adding it up as well.

 

[dantheman617]

People got way too much free time on their hands. It happened, and innocent people died. Bush has done alot of screwy things, but 9/11 isn't one of them.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

It really looks like this is more of an obsession with you than anything else. I'm bowing out to the "black helicopter" here, because this is not a conversation to win or prove a point but one you want to convince us that this is true. This is about as true as Bama never cheating.

Well, how did you come to that assumption? I think you’re right for bowing out, as rational sense isn’t your strong suit. Your post makes about as much sense as selecting Charles Cullen to be a guest speaker at a medical assembly.

The first sentence just means that I believe one way and you believe another, yet we come to the same conclusion and in this case its that the WTC fell and it was a cowardly attack. You believe it was our government, I believe Osama and his crew were responsible. BTW, I don't believe IMO that you have very much of a commercial/industrial structure building background of buildings constructed in the late 60s early 70s. I think you are just taking someone else's opinion and making your own here without looking at the other side and adding it up as well.

Why in the world would I have a commercial or industrial structural engineering background? That’s a bit far-fetched to even bring that up. Seriously though, I’m seventeen. That’s way out of my league and you don’t have to be structural engineers just to hold merit, now do you? And logically, you can say I’m taking other people’s opinions in the first place, but as nothing more than a starting point or food for thought. I’ve read through both sides of the story and I eventually reached a point where my mind was made up. That’s really all this is important, that I made my own decision.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Well, how did you come to that assumption? I think you’re right for bowing out, as rational sense isn’t your strong suit. Your post makes about as much sense as selecting Charles Cullen to be a guest speaker at a medical assembly.



Why in the world would I have a commercial or industrial structural engineering background? That’s a bit far-fetched to even bring that up. Seriously though, I’m seventeen. That’s way out of my league and you don’t have to be structural engineers just to hold merit, now do you? And logically, you can say I’m taking other people’s opinions in the first place, but as nothing more than a starting point or food for thought. I’ve read through both sides of the story and I eventually reached a point where my mind was made up. That’s really all this is important, that I made my own decision.

Exactly kid. This entire argument is out of your league because you don't have the personal or the professional credentials to back up what you are arguing. Isn't there more important things to you at this age?? Why even worry about this?? When I was your age I was more concerned about chasing some tail and partying down than trying to prove conspiracy theories that had to do with the federal government. I mean you can't even vote and you are trying to convince some of the people here that are almost twice your age to believe this. You have zero credibility because your entire argument is based off of other peoples' work and not your own. BTW, you were 11 years old when 9-11 happened did it really affect you that much to try and prove someone else's work?? As far as rational sense goes, I suggest you might want to keep quiet about comparing a teenagers sense to an adult's sense because you have NONE when it comes to the real world my friend. You also might want to consider finding better documentary people to watch also as Michael Moore is about as trustworthy as a crackhead. I'm done with this thread as well, because you can't rationalize with a teenage because they are always right.