Richard Gage, AIA, Architecht - "How the Towers Fell"

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Exactly kid. This entire argument is out of your league because you don't have the personal or the professional credentials to back up what you are arguing. Isn't there more important things to you at this age?? Why even worry about this?? When I was your age I was more concerned about chasing some tail and partying down than trying to prove conspiracy theories that had to do with the federal government. I mean you can't even vote and you are trying to convince some of the people here that are almost twice your age to believe this. You have zero credibility because your entire argument is based off of other peoples' work and not your own. BTW, you were 11 years old when 9-11 happened did it really affect you that much to try and prove someone else's work?? As far as rational sense goes, I suggest you might want to keep quiet about comparing a teenagers sense to an adult's sense because you have NONE when it comes to the real world my friend. You also might want to consider finding better documentary people to watch also as Michael Moore is about as trustworthy as a crackhead. I'm done with this thread as well, because you can't rationalize with a teenage because they are always right.
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Wow, now that's how you take something out of proportion. Really, though, why are so persistent in degrading because of one's age? Don't you have better things to do at your age then degrade a "kid"? That's a fair question to ask, right? :dry:

- Honestly, I'm not too worried about your opinion on my personal credentials, as age is a much more important factor to you than anything else you've presented. It's also quite obvious I have no professional credentials, but yet you still feel the need to bring that up again.
- There are much more important things in my life, that should be known without saying. I never said this issue was the most important, either. Why worry about this? I've clearly stated my reasons in posts below. Partying and chasing tail, that's something I still religiously do.:) Why did you even tell me that, anyway? Are you forgetting the subject at hand or on a personal mission to degrade the posts? Serious question..
-Because I use other sources, my credibility is completely lost.. Okay, now you're really off on this one.. how much circular information really is being used throughout the internet is consistent enough that citing sources shouldn't even be a problem. yet, to you, I have 0 credibility for it..:lol: Also, if you look a post below yours you will see I already covered that.. reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit either.
-I realize I was 11 when the attack happened and I wasn't worried about it at the time.. But over the years I've been apart of many relatives' discusions on the matter and I'm not exactly ill-informed on the issues.. I lost a very close family member when I was 11, too.. did that mean I didn't have a clear grasp of what was going on? No, it didn't.. age is just something you seem to be using as a scapegoat, g8ter.
-I'm confident I have enough real world experience to get me by, g8ter, my family has raised me well enough.. to say I have none is just silly, all that's been apparent to me in your posts is that you're not really here to discuss the given subject.. good riddance to you.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
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Wow, now that's how you take something out of proportion. Really, though, why are so persistent in degrading because of one's age? Don't you have better things to do at your age then degrade a "kid"? That's a fair question to ask, right? :dry:

- Honestly, I'm not too worried about your opinion on my personal credentials, as age is a much more important factor to you than anything else you've presented. It's also quite obvious I have no professional credentials, but yet you still feel the need to bring that up again.
- There are much more important things in my life, that should be known without saying. I never said this issue was the most important, either. Why worry about this? I've clearly stated my reasons in posts below. Partying and chasing tail, that's something I still religiously do.:) Why did you even tell me that, anyway? Are you forgetting the subject at hand or on a personal mission to degrade the posts? Serious question..
-Because I use other sources, my credibility is completely lost.. Okay, now you're really off on this one.. how much circular information really is being used throughout the internet is consistent enough that citing sources shouldn't even be a problem. yet, to you, I have 0 credibility for it..:lol: Also, if you look a post below yours you will see I already covered that.. reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit either.
-I realize I was 11 when the attack happened and I wasn't worried about it at the time.. But over the years I've been apart of many relatives' discusions on the matter and I'm not exactly ill-informed on the issues.. I lost a very close family member when I was 11, too.. did that mean I didn't have a clear grasp of what was going on? No, it didn't.. age is just something you seem to be using as a scapegoat, g8ter.
-I'm confident I have enough real world experience to get me by, g8ter, my family has raised me well enough.. to say I have none is just silly, all that's been apparent to me in your posts is that you're not really here to discuss the given subject.. good riddance to you.
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Whatever floats your boat bro. :eek:k: No, I am not on a personal mission to degrade your posts nor would I. Degrading and credibility are two different beasts here. Its like this....

You do some research on a subject that interests you and you know a fair bit about the info at hand before you start. Then you take that research and combine it with some first hand and even second hand knowledge. That right there makes you credible on most subject matters....

Instead you are taking conversations with family members and material that you didn't write and making it your argument. You don't know alot or possibly anything about the subject matter you are covering here by the author you are quoting. So that right there gives you zero credibility because the author takes all the credibility here.

Trying to convince someone or a group of people about conspiracy theories is not something I would want to undertake, especially at your age. Hey man, I wish you all the luck in the world because if your this passionate about finding out truth then alot of doors will open up in the future for you.

And yes you are a kid, just like I was at 17. Trust me when I tell you this, your views and beliefs will change ALOT in the next 5-6 years. So go out there and fight the good fight, just be careful who you approach with opinions like this at your age because its not easy to convince someone you feel differently afterwards.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Still, with the current scientific findings, traces of the use of Thermate were definitely founded. Therefore, Thermate must be the main culprit for the extremely fast collapse.
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I'm just going to use this statement as an example of my point in this post.

This statement makes a huge leap. From what I've read, the presence of Thermate (thermite) has not been confirmed. I've seen on discussion where this conclusion is based on evidence of chemicals that are in this compound claiming to have been found and others that use visual evidence of towers, etc.

The next leap (and the biggest) is to state "thermate must be the main culprit..." We go from speculation that thermate was present to speculation about it's role.


Every article and presentation on this topic I've seen presupposes planned demolition and works backwards to "find" evidence supporting the theory. In doing so, key assumptions arise that are pure speculation (NSTA researchers are biased due to govt. contracts, 1000's of co-conspirators are remaining quiet, insurance money was the motivation, etc.) The story becomes a crazy quilt of "facts" that just don't add up. Whenever a hole appears, a new "fact" or speculation is added. This is what I mean by letting the conclusion drive the fact finding.

My advice is to not let this thing eat you up.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
. I’ve read through both sides of the story and I eventually reached a point where my mind was made up. That’s really all this is important, that I made my own decision.
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100% incorrect. Stupid people make their own decisions all the time. It is much more important to go through life making the correct decisions.

Did not read through most of these posts because this is one of those topics that is too stupid to debate. But I did manage to catch this snippet you posted.
 
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so what you're saying is that people like Alex Jones and this Richard Gage fellow don't have some political axe to grind? I'd much rather side with the crowd that isn't wearing tinfoil hats and seeing black helicopters everywhere they go.
 
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