Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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zeppelin128 said:
Tennessee is governed like this every single session. You are advocating for direct democracy.
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No I advocate for my state government to allow the citizens to vote on important issues . Does Tennessee have a state income tax ?
 
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Weezer said:
The truthful answer, and the one you're most likely not to hear, is people are afraid a vote wouldn't give them the outcome they desire. People are generally happy as long as they get what they want. Most people will quickly abandon principle for satisfaction.

As far as the Mississippi state flag goes, I don't live in MS so I don't really care. Just being honest. I can certainly understand why people want it changed. But that's a problem for the people of that state.
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The people won’t get what they want or the people in the state legislature won’t get what they want?

And I agree and said this same statement the other day to a buddy from Mississippi. It’s up to them to hell with what the rest of us want.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
The people won’t get what they want or the people in the state legislature won’t get what they want?

And I agree and said this same statement the other day to a buddy from Mississippi. It’s up to them to hell with what the rest of us want.
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Sorry. I was referring to people being okay with the decision of the MS legislature because it's what they want. They don't want the citizenry voting because that might lead to a different outcome.
 
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Weezer said:
Sorry. I was referring to people being okay with the decision of the MS legislature because it's what they want. They don't want the citizenry voting because that might lead to a different outcome.
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If they want allow a state wide vote and instead just decree it be taken down , absolutely they are afraid of how the vote will turn out .
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Why the hell would the flag which represents all of the people not get voted on by the people.

Tell you what as long as there’s a “no F this POS gimme the old flag back” option on the ballot we’ll call it cool ok?
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Why would any policy or regulation that affects and represents all people not get voted on by the people, then?

You guys are advocating throwing our Republican system of government under the bus. This is fascinating.
 
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Weezer said:
Sorry. I was referring to people being okay with the decision of the MS legislature because it's what they want. They don't want the citizenry voting because that might lead to a different outcome.
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I really don't give a **** what Mississippi does, honestly. If they want to take it statewide on a vote and they keep flag, that is on them.
 
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Delmar said:
So you’re in the same camp as all the Communist dictators in history who said the media is the enemy of the people and eliminated them? Interesting company that you and Pompous Maximus want to hang with.
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No shock coming from you as you seem to be a media puppet with no mind of your own
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Why the hell would the flag which represents all of the people not get voted on by the people.

Tell you what as long as there’s a “no F this POS gimme the old flag back” option on the ballot we’ll call it cool ok?
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There is no reason. I refuse to believe someone who supposedly has worked in political campaigns doesn't understand what a referendum is and when it is appropriate to use one. There is no legitimate reason to need legislators to represent how anyone feels about a picture on a flag. Just playing dumb for the purpose of the argument.
 
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0nelilreb said:
The people apparently it was an important issue in 2001 and 2015
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They didn't just decide to have that vote on their own. It was a product of their elected officials. I still don't get this. Are we okay with a Republic government or not? I'm getting mixed signals depending on the outcome desired.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Why would any policy or regulation that affects and represents all people not get voted on by the people, then?

You guys are advocating throwing our Republican system of government under the bus. This is fascinating.
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No we aren’t zep. Stop it. A state isn’t a republic by itself.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Still waiting on your response about Mohammed?
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Same response as with every other statue, which is that if enough people think his transgressions were so extreme that we can't honor him, I'm fine with it. There's a layer of religious intolerance with Mohammed that would complicate things with him and I don't see it happening.

If it's a response to the Jesus statue thing, though, it's irrelevant. People want to get rid of Jesus statues because many of the builders whitewashed him, not because Jesus did bad things. Chasing me around demanding me to answer for every bad thing everyone on a pedestal has ever done is also an inefficient and pointless exercise
 
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NashVol11 said:
Same response as with every other statue, which is that if enough people think his transgressions were so extreme that we can't honor him, I'm fine with it. There's a layer of religious intolerance with Mohammed that would complicate things with him and I don't see it happening.

If it's a response to the Jesus statue thing, though, it's irrelevant. People want to get rid of Jesus statues because many of the builders whitewashed him, not because Jesus did bad things. Chasing me around demanding me to answer for every bad thing everyone on a pedestal has ever done is also an inefficient and pointless exercise
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Complicate things? If you say yes to tearing down Washington and Jefferson but no to Mohammed who was a rapist pedophile, slaver, murderer, etc. it really shows how hypocritical these groups really are. and if "enough people think his transgressions were extreme", that is a laughable statement. So how many is "enough"?

If 2,000 people think MLK statues should be torn down, would that be ok with you?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
It was overwhelming because the SEC was about to come down like the hand of god on them otherwise.
I'm still trying to understand why this particular issue deserves a statewide vote from the state population, but other issues don't. Tennessee passes stupid **** all the time I'd love to be able to vote against. But that isn't how it works.
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You should move to a state that fits your views better, I suggest NY or California
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't get to individually vote on everything decided in Tennessee by the state government. Why is this any different?
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Because changing the official State Flag or "symbol" that is the representation of your State not just Nationally but across the world is a big deal and should be decided by the citizens of that State.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
It was overwhelming because the SEC was about to come down like the hand of god on them otherwise.
I'm still trying to understand why this particular issue deserves a statewide vote from the state population, but other issues don't. Tennessee passes stupid **** all the time I'd love to be able to vote against. But that isn't how it works.
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The SEC wasn't doing 💩! When was the last time the SEC held a Championship in the State of Mississippi?
 
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