Richmond is taking down Confederate statues: Is this the end for other Confederate memorials?

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zeppelin128 said:
They absolutely had a say. The voters of Mississippi elected these folks to represent them in their government. An overwhelming GOP margin mind you.

Are we a Republic or not? Those officials made a decision. Also, if you could bother yourself to read just a bit more in to it, there will be a vote statewide to confirm the new flag design. If it is shot down, then back to the drawing board and another vote will follow.

Sounds like our unique form of government working appropriately.
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How would a democracy have been any different here? Or parliament, or even monarchy, oligarchy or any other form of government?

Well except for an anarcho syndicate commune
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Do our various levels of government not rest on the fact that we elect people to vote in our stead? Seems like that is what happened here.
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It does. But no matter how the people in charge could have got there they would have made similar choices. There is nothing tying the specifics of a republic to the choices made. Especially the electoral college as that is only the presidential election and this was a state specific item.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Do our various levels of government not rest on the fact that we elect people to vote in our stead? Seems like that is what happened here.
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That flag hasn’t just made the news , it’s been voted on to be removed or redesigned by the people in 2001 then almost again in 2015 . This time the government decided and not the voters , they instead will “allow “ the voters of the state to vote on a redesign . I don’t care what they do but is that really how you want say Tennessee to govern ? To make a decree or law about something , then “ allow “ you to vote on what color bow it should be wrapped in ?
 
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I'm curious as to what the alternative would be.
How in the world would you word a statewide referendum to determine whether or not "the people" want to change the state flag?
 
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LouderVol said:
It does. But no matter how the people in charge could have got there they would have made similar choices. There is nothing tying the specifics of a republic to the choices made. Especially the electoral college as that is only the presidential election and this was a state specific item.
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The mechanic works the same, no? The vote reached a super majority in both legislatures by those put in office to represent voters in Mississippi. No more Confederate flag symbolism, but they have to include "In God We Trust" on the flag. Seems like some (not you) are wanting direct democracy rule sometimes and republicanism the next, depending on what is decided in state/federal governments.
 
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GordonC said:
I'm curious as to what the alternative would be.
How in the world would you word a statewide referendum to determine whether or not "the people" want to change the state flag?
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The same way they did last time?
 
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0nelilreb said:
That flag hasn’t just made the news , it’s been voted on to be removed or redesigned by the people in 2001 then almost again in 2015 . This time the government decided and not the voters , they instead will “allow “ the voters of the state to vote on a redesign . I don’t care what they do but is that really how you want say Tennessee to govern ? To make a decree or law about something , then “ allow “ you to vote on what color bow it should be wrapped in ?
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Tennessee is governed like this every single session. You are advocating for direct democracy.
 
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volfanjustin said:
And some wonder why we call the media the enemy of the people. What an stupid little twerp
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So you’re in the same camp as all the Communist dictators in history who said the media is the enemy of the people and eliminated them? Interesting company that you and Pompous Maximus want to hang with.
 
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Weezer said:
The same way they did last time?
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I cannot find if it was:
"Do you want to change the state flag?"
"Do you want to remove the Confederate flag from the state flag?"
I would think in today's climate that would make a difference.

I did find an article from 2017 that stated:
"A Jackson resident is starting a petition drive to put a change-the-flag initiative on the statewide ballot, and flag supporters hope to start their own keep-the-flag initiative – but the earliest either proposal could go to voters is in 2018. Many are hoping for some sort of resolution to the public debate before then."

Initiative would have been the most "democratic" way to go.

Here's the article: Mississippi flag retains Confederate emblem despite calls for its removal
 
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Delmar said:
So you’re in the same camp as all the Communist dictators in history who said the media is the enemy of the people and eliminated them? Interesting company that you and Pompous Maximus want to hang with.
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Your dnc media are the enemy of the people
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The mechanic works the same, no? The vote reached a super majority in both legislatures by those put in office to represent voters in Mississippi. No more Confederate flag symbolism, but they have to include "In God We Trust" on the flag. Seems like some (not you) are wanting direct democracy rule sometimes and republicanism the next, depending on what is decided in state/federal governments.
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It wasn't close.

Miss House: 74R, 45D, 2I, 1Vacant ---- vote was 91-23
Miss Senate: 36R, 16D ------- vote was 37-14
 
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GordonC said:
It wasn't close.

Miss House: 74R, 45D, 2I, 1Vacant ---- vote was 91-23
Miss Senate: 36R, 16D ------- vote was 37-14
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It was overwhelming because the SEC was about to come down like the hand of god on them otherwise.
I'm still trying to understand why this particular issue deserves a statewide vote from the state population, but other issues don't. Tennessee passes stupid **** all the time I'd love to be able to vote against. But that isn't how it works.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s happening within a state. Why wouldn’t a people vote actually make sense?
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The truthful answer, and the one you're most likely not to hear, is people are afraid a vote wouldn't give them the outcome they desire. People are generally happy as long as they get what they want. Most people will quickly abandon principle for satisfaction.

As far as the Mississippi state flag goes, I don't live in MS so I don't really care. Just being honest. I can certainly understand why people want it changed. But that's a problem for the people of that state.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
The mechanic works the same, no? The vote reached a super majority in both legislatures by those put in office to represent voters in Mississippi. No more Confederate flag symbolism, but they have to include "In God We Trust" on the flag. Seems like some (not you) are wanting direct democracy rule sometimes and republicanism the next, depending on what is decided in state/federal governments.
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Again my distinction here was there is no difference in the distinction you are making about our Republic doing this. Any other government works the same way. Those in charge make decisions. A republic or democracy just gives them a chance to vote later after any decision has been made.
 
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Weezer said:
The truthful answer, and the one you're most likely not to hear, is people are afraid a vote wouldn't give them the outcome they desire. People are generally happy as long as they get what they want. Most people will quickly abandon principle for satisfaction.

As far as the Mississippi state flag goes, I don't live in MS so I don't really care. Just being honest. I can certainly understand why people want it changed. But that's a problem for the people of that state.
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That is exactly right. Some things are better voted on by referendum. The state flag is one of those things IMO.

I also don't care about the MS flag. Unfortunately, bowing to the mob is the beginning of the stupidity, not the end.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I don't get to individually vote on everything decided in Tennessee by the state government. Why is this any different?
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Why the hell would the flag which represents all of the people not get voted on by the people.

Tell you what as long as there’s a “no F this POS gimme the old flag back” option on the ballot we’ll call it cool ok?
 
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