Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

[Rickyvol77]

Idk the context of his comments but despite the crazy stay that UT hasn't won the tourney in 43 years... sorry I don't get the hype of getting hot for a few games and winning a tourney at the end of the year. Bad or avg teams win it all the time. Tenn didn't win the reg season which is way more telling to me. I promise I'm not trying to minimize the tourney win. It wasn't random-UT is playing some great ball right now.

Jesus Christ

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Idk the context of his comments but despite the crazy stay that UT hasn't won the tourney in 43 years... sorry I don't get the hype of getting hot for a few games and winning a tourney at the end of the year. Bad or avg teams win it all the time. Tenn didn't win the reg season which is way more telling to me. I promise I'm not trying to minimize the tourney win. It wasn't random-UT is playing some great ball right now.

 

[Other_Guy]

So what does ending up 1 game behind a team we beat head to head and played a weaker schedule than us tell you?

How is it telling? What is it telling?
Seriously

Tennessee did finish the regular season 2nd. They beat Auburn which was 1 game ahead.

Auburn played Tennessee once, they played KY once, they played Ark once, they played LSU once…….the best teams in the SEC they only had to face once.

Tennessee played LSU twice, KY twice, Ark twice and Auburn once.

That’s actually “telling” when you win the league by 1 game.

Tennessee came in second in the toughest conference in the country and Auburn won by default because they had the easiest schedule of the top 4 teams

If 14-4 in SEC play is “telling” to you. Then you are problem not Barnes

Wow you people get your panties in a wad over a simple phrase don't you?
I've seen on Facebook message boards pics that Tenn is "SEC championships" with no context that it's the tourney instead of the reg season.
Winning the reg season is more "TELLING" of how a teams season went than a tournament that lasted a couple of games.

 

[Other_Guy]

The goal posts just keep moving by the Barnes haters. Quite sad, actually.

At least the last 12 SECT have been won by teams that were tied for 4th or higher in the regular season. So, bad or average teams don’t win it all if the time. Plus, going to a Final Four is about teams getting hot at the right time, just like in a conference tournament. Silliness.

I've not been on this board much to know the arguments that Barnes haters make, so I can't comment on what you're referring to.
It also sounds like you're not really interested in judging teams and coaches on their NCAA tournament success very much. I don't think you mean it that way but it kinda sounds like it.

 

[JelloPuddinPup]

*UT Wins National Championship*

"...But he's only won 1 National Championship!" - Barnes haters.

 

[Vol49er]

Idk the context of his comments but despite the crazy stay that UT hasn't won the tourney in 43 years... sorry I don't get the hype of getting hot for a few games and winning a tourney at the end of the year. Bad or avg teams win it all the time. Tenn didn't win the reg season which is way more telling to me. I promise I'm not trying to minimize the tourney win. It wasn't random-UT is playing some great ball right now.

“sorry I don't get the hype of getting hot for a few games and winning a tourney at the end of the year.” But the whole premise of this thread was even though Barnes has had tons of regular season success, you thought he was average because he hasn’t had tourney success. So you’re either someone for whom Barnes will never be good enough (prob a Bruce fanboy) or a troll

 

[Other_Guy]

*UT Wins National Championship*

"...But he's only won 1 National Championship!" - Barnes haters.

Me: I love Barnes and want him to coach for as long as he wants but he's a sweet 16 coach at best.
Some: yOu'Re A bArNeS hAtEr!

 

[VolFreakJosh]

“Barnes doesn’t win Championships”

Wins the SEC Tournament Championship

“The regular season is more telling”

Talk about moving goalposts from the anti Barnes crowd.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Me: I love Barnes and want him to coach for as long as he wants but he's a sweet 16 coach at best.
Some: yOu'Re A bArNeS hAtEr!

How is somebody with 3 Elite 8s and a Final Four a Sweet 16 coach “at best”?

 

[Other_Guy]

“sorry I don't get the hype of getting hot for a few games and winning a tourney at the end of the year.” But the whole premise of this thread was even though Barnes has had tons of regular season success, you thought he was average because he hasn’t had tourney success. So you’re either someone for whom Barnes will never be good enough (prob a Bruce fanboy) or a troll

I never said he was "average".
What do you mean by "good enough" because he's way better than what the UT basketball program deserves.
Also, I'm not huge into basketball, mostly just March madness until Tenn became watchable so perhaps I'm comparing the sport too much to football but... aren't we supposed to judge coaches on titles they win and ncaa tournament success they have?

 

[Nighthawkvol10]

I never said he was "average".
What do you mean by "good enough" because he's way better than what the UT basketball program deserves.
Also, I'm not huge into basketball, mostly just March madness until Tenn became watchable so perhaps I'm comparing the sport too much to football but... aren't we supposed to judge coaches on titles they win and ncaa tournament success they have?

Yes, that's painfully obvious

 

[VolsSince78]

Wow you people get your panties in a wad over a simple phrase don't you?
I've seen on Facebook message boards pics that Tenn is "SEC championships" with no context that it's the tourney instead of the reg season.
Winning the reg season is more "TELLING" of how a teams season went than a tournament that lasted a couple of games.

The official conference champion is the winner of the SEC tournament. Been that way since 1979.

Honest question: Do you think Auburn had a better entire SEC season than the Vols considering details below?

Auburn finished reg. season 15-3, and reg. season champs. Including SEC tourney, their final record in SEC play was 15-4. In reg. season, all teams play each other at least once, and each team played 5 teams twice (home & away). Auburn’s 5 home & away SEC opponents were a combined 31-49 in SEC reg. season.

Our Vols were 14-4 reg. season, and a 17-4 final record in SEC play including SEC tourney, SEC tourney champs, and official SEC champs. The Vols’ 5 home & away SEC opponents were a combined 49-31 in SEC reg. season.

To me , these details show a cinch of a case for the Vols slightly ahead of Auburn for entire SEC play. How ‘bout you?

 

[youcancallmeAl]

Barnes hasn't written his final chapter. I'm going to wait til it's written before I read it.

 

[Chris4Vols22]

How is somebody with 3 Elite 8s and a Final Four a Sweet 16 coach “at best”?

Is it the same poster who said Pippen may be All-SEC by his senior year?

 

[Other_Guy]

How is somebody with 3 Elite 8s and a Final Four a Sweet 16 coach “at best”?

In over 30 years of coaching.
When I use that phrase I'm not thinking in terms of maximum potential ever (even Cinderella teams make a FF appearance). I'm saying if you're describing the type of coach Barnes is and if someone who wasn't familiar with Tenn what kind of coach Barnes was the best description I would say is, "He's a sweet 16 coach".

 

[Other_Guy]

Is it the same poster who said Pippen may be All-SEC by his senior year?

Not me.

 

[Other_Guy]

Yes, that's painfully obvious

So we're not supposed to judge coaches by titles they win or tourney success they have?

 

[VolGee4]

I've not been on this board much to know the arguments that Barnes haters make, so I can't comment on what you're referring to.
It also sounds like you're not really interested in judging teams and coaches on their NCAA tournament success very much. I don't think you mean it that way but it kinda sounds like it.

Has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with Barnes now succeeding at a high level, and the terms change.

If you truly believe that the SECT is not significant because average teams can get hot and win it, then the same applies to the NCAAT. You are just cherry picking which argument that makes your case and not being consistent.

It has been stated many times by the critics that Barnes hasn't earned his salary because he hasn't won a regular season championship, an SECT championship, or been deep enough in the NCAAT. Earns a regular season title...not good enough. Now wins a SECT title...not good enough. The goal posts just keep moving.

 

[VolGee4]

So we're not supposed to judge coaches by titles they win or tourney success they have?

Yea, he has two SEC titles- one regular season and one conference tournament.

 

[VolsSince78]

In over 30 years of coaching.
When I use that phrase I'm not thinking in terms of maximum potential ever (even Cinderella teams make a FF appearance). I'm saying if you're describing the type of coach Barnes is and if someone who wasn't familiar with Tenn what kind of coach Barnes was the best description I would say is, "He's a sweet 16 coach".

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

In over 30 years of coaching.
When I use that phrase I'm not thinking in terms of maximum potential ever (even Cinderella teams make a FF appearance). I'm saying if you're describing the type of coach Barnes is and if someone who wasn't familiar with Tenn what kind of coach Barnes was the best description I would say is, "He's a sweet 16 coach".

English is hard.

You also said “at best”. If you are now just saying he’s a Sweet 16 coach, that Is about the 98th percentile of 350+ teams and even higher if comparing to thousands of coaches.

Name the coaches that have more Elite 8s with none of them happening at a Blue Blood school. There aren’t very many of them and guys like Few, Donovan, and Izzo are/were arguably coaching at new versions of Blue Bloods or, in BD’s case, had a multi-generational lineup.

 

[JoAllan]

Wow you people get your panties in a wad over a simple phrase don't you?
I've seen on Facebook message boards pics that Tenn is "SEC championships" with no context that it's the tourney instead of the reg season.
Winning the reg season is more "TELLING" of how a teams season went than a tournament that lasted a couple of games.

Lol

You typed a lot…..but still never even tried to answer the question.

YOU literally said “Tenn didn't win the reg season which is way more telling to me.”

I’ll ask again. What is that telling “you”?

I stated facts they were second in the regular season in one of the top two conferences (this year). They finished 1 game behind a team they beat. The champion is still very much the champion; however they didn’t play near the top loaded schedule as Tennessee.

To me it only reaffirms Tennessee wining the tourney. It reaffirms Tennessee is most likely the best team in the conference. They beat Auburn, they beat KY twice, and they played the tougher schedule.

Who’s actually got “panties in a wad”? Some of us can’t be more clear……while you make statements but refuse to back them up or even answer direct questions. Maybe this time you’ll actually care to answer.

 

[Other_Guy]

Has nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with Barnes now succeeding at a high level, and the terms change.

If you truly believe that the SECT is not significant because average teams can get hot and win it, then the same applies to the NCAAT. You are just cherry picking which argument that makes your case and not being consistent.

It has been stated many times by the critics that Barnes hasn't earned his salary because he hasn't won a regular season championship, an SECT championship, or been deep enough in the NCAAT. Earns a regular season title...not good enough. Now wins a SECT title...not good enough. The goal posts just keep moving.

#1. I never said winning the conf tourney was insignificant.
#2. I never said Barnes hasn't earned his salary.
#3. I never said he is "not good enough".
For you to say that I'm cherry picking my argument, you seem to have build a straw man and are saying things that I've never said.

English is hard.

You also said “at best”. If you are now just saying he’s a Sweet 16 coach, that Is about the 98th percentile of 350+ teams and even higher if comparing to thousands of coaches.

Name the coaches that have more Elite 8s with none of them happening at a Blue Blood school. There aren’t very many of them and guys like Few, Donovan, and Izzo are/were arguably coaching at new versions of Blue Bloods or, in BD’s case, had a multi-generational lineup.

I'm not changing what I said, I'm explaining to you what I meant. If I didn't phrase it the best way, I apologize.

Lol

You typed a lot…..but still never even tried to answer the question.

YOU literally said “Tenn didn't win the reg season which is way more telling to me.”

I’ll ask again. What is that telling “you”?

I stated facts they were second in the regular season in one of the top two conferences (this year). They finished 1 game behind a team they beat. The champion is still very much the champion; however they didn’t play near the top loaded schedule as Tennessee.

To me it only reaffirms Tennessee wining the tourney. It reaffirms Tennessee is most likely the best team in the conference. They beat Auburn, they beat KY twice, and they played the tougher schedule.

Who’s actually got “panties in a wad”? Some of us can’t be more clear……while you make statements but refuse to back them up or even answer direct questions. Maybe this time you’ll actually care to answer.

I literally did in the post you quoted. You can gauge how a teams season went MORE by where they finish in the regular season standings vs how they do in the conf tourney.
How did the season go? It went really well. It got better since I posted the thread. They didn't win the conf, however, but tied for 2nd.
Why would you gauge how well a team did for a season based off a tournament that.lasted only a couple of games vs the entire season?

 

[Rickyvol77]

In over 30 years of coaching.
When I use that phrase I'm not thinking in terms of maximum potential ever (even Cinderella teams make a FF appearance). I'm saying if you're describing the type of coach Barnes is and if someone who wasn't familiar with Tenn what kind of coach Barnes was the best description I would say is, "He's a sweet 16 coach".

The good thing is you aren’t even a UT basketball fan by your own admission and your opinion really doesn’t matter to us that are

 

[Other_Guy]

The good thing is you aren’t even a UT basketball fan by your own admission and your opinion really doesn’t matter to us that are

What are you talking about