Riggs to Miami

[WA_Vol]

A lot of it is political too. A marginal guy who is a draft pick has a lot better shot than a free agent because GMs and player personnel guys like to be right.

The head coaches and assistant coaches jobs are on the line each year based on the results they produce on the field. There is too much at stake to pick players because of politics IMO. Most coaches make draft decisions and roster decisions. They have too much at stake to pick players based on anything other then potential and ability. They may keep a player around because he has more potential, but I doubt there is much politics involved at that level. Some politics yes, but I think all these guys are gonna get a long look, and final decisions will be based primarily on ability.

 

[Low Country Vol]

Getting drafted does not neccessarily guarantee a spot on the team. Ask maurice clarett.
At least he given an opportunity. If he performs well and gets cut, there will be a team to pick him up that is in need of a RB.

List of HB's he will need to beat to earn a spot on the roster.

Ronnie Brown 2nd Auburn (starter)
Travis Minor 6th FSU
Sammie Morris 7th Texas tech
Kay Jay harris 2nd West Virginia

 

[Ooltewah Vol]

Getting drafted does not neccessarily guarantee a spot on the team. Ask maurice clarett.
At least he given an opportunity. If he performs well and gets cut, there will be a team to pick him up that is in need of a RB.

List of HB's he will need to beat to earn a spot on the roster.

Ronnie Brown 2nd Auburn (starter)
Travis Minor 6th FSU
Sammie Morris 7th Texas tech
Kay Jay harris 2nd West Virginia

Stats from 2005. Take Williams out of the mix and see what he is up against. I don’t see any of the others who can keep him off the squad. If he goes back to his form of 2004 he will be there and in the mix BIG time, and for the record Kay Jay harris was an undrafted free agent in 2005

NAME ATT. YDS. AVG. LG TD
R. Brown 207 907 4.4 65 4
R. Williams 168 743 4.4 35 6
S. Morris 16 58 3.6 9 1
T. Minor 5 17 3.4 9 0

 

[Lexvol]

Stats from 2005. Take Williams out of the mix and see what he is up against. I don’t see any of the others who can keep him off the squad. If he goes back to his form of 2004 he will be there and in the mix BIG time.

NAME ATT. YDS. AVG. LG TD
R. Brown 207 907 4.4 65 4
R. Williams 168 743 4.4 35 6
S. Morris 16 58 3.6 9 1
T. Minor 5 17 3.4 9 0

If he stays healthy he will make the squad.

 

[gonygonygo]

The ACC, our next door neighbors, had 51 players drafted....

and 12 of those were in the first round... People get so biased in THEIR favorites that they lose sight of reality and logic. Like I said, the SEC is my favorite conference, but I try to be real with myself. It is not the single elite conference.

 

[jakez4ut]

and 12 of those were in the first round... People get so biased in THEIR favorites that they lose sight of reality and logic. Like I said, the SEC is my favorite conference, but I try to be real with myself. It is not the single elite conference.

here's some more for ya as well:
Pac 10--32
Big 10--41
Big 12--28 (ouch&#33
ACC--51
SEC--37

And this is only for players drafted, not all players as unsigned free agents....

I didn't look up any other conferences...as they don't matter...but that puts us squarely at 3rd...behind the Big 10 and ACC...my how times have changed....of course, i don't know that i've ever looked at conf. standings from a draft standpoint, and there are always factors that affect this...early departures etc...But one would have to look at that and say....hmmmm?

 

[jakez4ut]

and as to how TN did cmpared to the rest of conf....and this is just totals drafted...not by round or anything....
TN--5
LSU--6
UGA--7
UF--3 (which ought to tell you how young they are right now....)
AUB--4
Bama--5

So there you go...tied for 3rd, which may be misleading if you look at it round by round....just based on that, you'd have to say we got 3rd or 4th ranked talent in the SEC, which probably puts in the high teens or early 20's nationally...

 

[jakez4ut]

OK, im bored, and this probably doesn't mean anything....but here you go, total draft picks in order, most to least:
USC--11
OH St--9
Va Tech--9
FSU--8
UGA--7
PSU--6
TX--6
NCSU--6
LSU--6
OK--5
Wisc--5
UVA--5
Bama--5
TN--5

again, that's just total number drafted....if you got in to more detail, we only had one guy go on day one....so you can draw your own conclusions about where we fit in nationally....puts us 15th or so....

 

[WA_Vol]

Stats from 2005. Take Williams out of the mix and see what he is up against. I don’t see any of the others who can keep him off the squad. If he goes back to his form of 2004 he will be there and in the mix BIG time, and for the record Kay Jay harris was an undrafted free agent in 2005

NAME ATT. YDS. AVG. LG TD
R. Brown 207 907 4.4 65 4
R. Williams 168 743 4.4 35 6
S. Morris 16 58 3.6 9 1
T. Minor 5 17 3.4 9 0

Honestly I think that is a good group of guys. I don't know how injury prone any of them, but I thought T Minor had a pretty good career at Florida State, a little age and undersized perhaps. Riggs will have to do well in the preseason scrimmage to make that team.

 

[dan4vols]

The bandwagon keeps gettin bigger :dance2:

 

[allvol@15]

go gettum RIGGS!

 

[JennVols]

The bandwagon keeps gettin bigger :dance2:

:birgits_giggle:

 

[therealUT]

and 12 of those were in the first round... People get so biased in THEIR favorites that they lose sight of reality and logic. Like I said, the SEC is my favorite conference, but I try to be real with myself. It is not the single elite conference.

Be real with yourself, every year the SEC is one of the top 2 conferences in the nation.

Also, 8 of the 51 came from FSU (4 in the 1st, the rest in 2-5,) 9 from Miami. That leaves 34 for the other 10 teams.

There is parity in the SEC, a lot of teams that will usually have somewhere between 5 and 8 players drafted, instead of 2 teams accounting for 20 and the rest of the conference sending 2 or 3 into the draft.

 

[Ooltewah Vol]

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Honestly I think that is a good group of guys. I don't know how injury prone any of them, but I thought T Minor had a pretty good career at Florida State, a little age and undersized perhaps. Riggs will have to do well in the preseason scrimmage to make that team.

Minor had an outstanding career at FSU but not much to talk about in the NFL. Morris signed a 2 year deal in 2004 after playing at Buffalo. He came in the 2000 draft out of Texas Tech as a 5th round choice for Buffalo. I see Gerald taking a hard shot as the # 2 RB behind Brown and for sure no worse than the #3 back. Miami carried 4 backs last season.

It's all up to the "G" man at this point, but I see this as being better than a low draft pick from some team that had a nice running back group.

It's a great chance. Now it's up to Gerald, so good luck!

 

[WA_Vol]

Be real with yourself, every year the SEC is one of the top 2 conferences in the nation.

Also, 8 of the 51 came from FSU (4 in the 1st, the rest in 2-5,) 9 from Miami. That leaves 34 for the other 10 teams.

There is parity in the SEC, a lot of teams that will usually have somewhere between 5 and 8 players drafted, instead of 2 teams accounting for 20 and the rest of the conference sending 2 or 3 into the draft.

MIami is in the big east, and FSU in the acc I thought.

 

[GAVol]

MIami is in the big east, and FSU in the acc I thought.

Miami was previously in the Big East, but has been in the ACC since 2004.

 

[milohimself]

Be real with yourself, every year the SEC is one of the top 2 conferences in the nation.

Also, 8 of the 51 came from FSU (4 in the 1st, the rest in 2-5,) 9 from Miami. That leaves 34 for the other 10 teams.

There is parity in the SEC, a lot of teams that will usually have somewhere between 5 and 8 players drafted, instead of 2 teams accounting for 20 and the rest of the conference sending 2 or 3 into the draft.

Arguments of whether or not the SEC really is the best aside, I do find it very arguable that the SEC has the least parity of the major conferences. Vanderbilt and Kentucky are consistently two of the bottom 4-5 teams in all of the BCS conferences, and Ole Miss and Mississippi State are usually both nearly that bad. And until recently at least one of Arkansas and South Carolina would be a very poor team. That's one thing you have to admit about the SEC, it's a very tough conference to win but a team could also sleep their way to a bowl game.

 

[mattvols]

MIami is in the big east, and FSU in the acc I thought.

where have you been, Miami joined the ACC 2 or 3 years ago. They've played in the ACC championship game before.

 

[therealUT]

Arguments of whether or not the SEC really is the best aside, I do find it very arguable that the SEC has the least parity of the major conferences. Vanderbilt and Kentucky are consistently two of the bottom 4-5 teams in all of the BCS conferences, and Ole Miss and Mississippi State are usually both nearly that bad. And until recently at least one of Arkansas and South Carolina would be a very poor team. That's one thing you have to admit about the SEC, it's a very tough conference to win but a team could also sleep their way to a bowl game.

Easy to say if you only watch the SEC, but every conference has the teams that are perennially horrible and the teams that could just as easily go 2-9 as 9-2.

Big XII: Iowa St., Missouri, Baylor, KU
Big 10: IU, Illinois, NW, MSU
ACC: Duke, UNC, UVA
PAC-10: Don't watch enough of...
Big East: The whole conference...

 

[milohimself]

As far as the Pac-10 goes, there are teams that are not good but not THAT bad. Even last year when Stanford lost to UC-Davis, they came within || that close of beating Notre Dame, a BCS bowl team. That's one reason I love Pac-10 football, probably the most parity of the BCS conferences.

And yeah, the Big Ten has Indiana which sucks every year. Michigan State is usually so-so, and one of the two between Illinois and Northwestern will be so-so from year to year. Not the same number of crappy teams in the SEC.

In the Big XII, Baylor is the only team that really is like that. Iowa State, even, is so-so. The Big XII is basically a bunch of mediocre to decent teams, then Oklahoma and Texas.

In the ACC you've got Duke who probably is the overall worst team in the BCS conferences. But even UNC isn't terrible, they've taken down some big names over the last few years. Virginia? They're not too shabby. Good parity in the ACC.

In the Big East... You've got plenty of parity there, but it's because all the teams there suck except West Virginia and Louisville who are just pretty good at best.

This isn't a testament to the SEC's overall strength, I'm just saying that between Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Miss State, Arkansas and South Carolina that the bottom of the SEC is generally the worst of the BCS conferences, and thusly the SEC has the least parity.

 

[dan4vols]

what has this got to do with Riggs in Mami?

 

[Volunteersfan]

he will back up brown now that williams is gone

 

[milohimself]

what has this got to do with Riggs in Mami?

Thank you danman for comin' correck

Let's stop this conference vs. conference stuff for now

 

[WA_Vol]

where have you been, Miami joined the ACC 2 or 3 years ago. They've played in the ACC championship game before.

I'm not a big fan of acc or big east football. dont watch them very much if at all.

 

[Low Country Vol]

where have you been, Miami joined the ACC 2 or 3 years ago. They've played in the ACC championship game before.

This was the first year of the ACC Championship game which was in Jacksonville (FSU vs Va Tech). NCAA prohibited a conference from hosting a conference championship team unless 12 teams are in the league and Boston College made the 12th team for the 2005 season.
Miami's first season in ACC was 2004 and Virginia Tech won the Conference Championship with the best ACC record. In the 2 season Miami has not won the ACC.