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utvolpj said:
Because they're just not. A visiting fan whose sole purpose is to trash UT won't last long. Many posters in here seem to view that as unfair and a violation of their free speech
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It's not a violation of free speech by any stretch and I understand the distinction. I just think it's not an applicable comparison to what twitter is doing.
 
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Kristy* said:
"Publishing is the activity of making information, literature, music, software and other content available to the public for sale or for free."

If it's my bar, I'm not responsible for what people say, because my bar allows free speech.
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Whether or not you allow free speech has nothing to do with whether or not you're responsible for what people say. The two ideas are barely even related.

The reason that websites are not a traditional publisher and have always been treated differently is because we want a functional internet and we want people to have a voice. You want to go back to the days when the only way to get your ideas out there was to write an op-ed and hope the NYT published it, great. I personally am over the stone age of information.
 
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hog88 said:
It's not a violation of free speech by any stretch and I understand the distinction. I just think it's not an applicable comparison to what twitter is doing.
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They are just moderating site content yet on a massive scale. Doesn't make them a "publisher" any more than VN
 
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n_huffhines said:
The reason that websites are not a traditional publisher and have always been treated differently is because we want a functional internet and we want people to have a voice. You want to go back to the days when the only way to get your ideas out there was to write an op-ed and hope the NYT published it, great. I personally am over the stone age of information.
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Lol.
 
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utvolpj said:
I know they have yet still allow some to stay. Who is more dangerous - Trump or Khamenei?

It was political. They wanted to drive him crazy while pushing a Dem agenda and he simply couldn't stop.
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If it was purely political, they would have banned him a long time ago.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
Irrelevant. I already agreed with you about 230. Calling someone a POS is not against their user agreement that I'm aware of. Theoretically, I'm entitled to say anything that does not go against their terms of service. If they want to say that I was harassing him then fine, but they clearly do not follow their own rules they have made equally.
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No, you are not. It's their platform. You're not entitled to anything that is not yours. You're not entitled to enjoy anybody else's tech. You're entitled to whatever you own and that's where the line is drawn.

Where are the boomers when you need them to call out how entitled this generation is?
 
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hog88 said:
If they are editing and putting commentary on certain posts ie "fact checking", wouldn't that fall into the publishing category?
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So is VN publishing by adding Rumor to thread titles or having mods commenting on posts?
 
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ajvol01 said:
Twitter refused to remove child porn because it didn’t ‘violate policies’: lawsuit
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utvolpj said:
They are just moderating site content yet on a massive scale. Doesn't make them a "publisher" any more than VN
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How Twitter chooses to moderate seems to be the main problem for most on the right.

Suspending/banning thousands of accounts has become commonplace for Twitter. The Twitter purge on 1/8 was allegedly 70,000 accounts. When they do this all of the content is removed/inaccessible.

Do you consider this moderating?
 
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ajvol01 said:
How Twitter chooses to moderate seems to be the main problem for most on the right.

Suspending/banning thousands of accounts has become commonplace for Twitter. The Twitter purge on 1/8 was allegedly 70,000 accounts. When they do this all of the content is removed/inaccessible.

Do you consider this moderating?
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I have no clue about their reasoning but it's their site and their content.
 
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hog88 said:
If they are editing and putting commentary on certain posts ie "fact checking", wouldn't that fall into the publishing category?
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But what would you sue them for in this case? Social media sites definitely publish some stuff. They have their own accounts and they give people updates about changes. Just making a privacy policy technically makes them a publisher. By that definition, literally every company that puts an idea on paper becomes a publisher. What people are specifically saying they should be sued for is not publishing, tho. It's censorship, which is the opposite of publishing.
 
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utvolpj said:
So is VN publishing by adding Rumor to thread titles or having mods commenting on posts?
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There is a line and I will admit that I have no idea where that line is. I don't think a website like VN or a social media entity like twitter should be subject to a lawsuit for what a member posts in other words there shouldn't need to be a section 230.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Whether or not you allow free speech has nothing to do with whether or not you're responsible for what people say. The two ideas are barely even related.

The reason that websites are not a traditional publisher and have always been treated differently is because we want a functional internet and we want people to have a voice. You want to go back to the days when the only way to get your ideas out there was to write an op-ed and hope the NYT published it, great. I personally am over the stone age of information.
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Yes. I agree. I want EVERYONE to have a voice. I often wished Trump would have shut up. It could have done him a lot of service IMO. But it's not right for him to be silenced. If people want to listen or not to what he has to say, that should be their choice.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Tell that to all the union members working on the keystone xl pipeline who just lost their job
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A State Department report found that no more than 50 jobs would be required to maintain the pipeline. The majority of the jobs you must be referring to were seasonal construction work, which is somewhere between 10K and 11K jobs... which would have lasted between 6 to 8 months. The impact of this on the labor market has been grossly exaggerated by the right. Per the Bureau of Labor Statistics, since Trump took office in January of 2017, approximately 4 million Americans have lost their jobs. Cutting the Keystone Pipeline is a drop in the bucket to the real problems facing this country right now.
 
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utvolpj said:
So is VN publishing by adding Rumor to thread titles or having mods commenting on posts?
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You see no difference?

Nearly every tweet Trump made from 11/4 to 1/8 had a Twitter warning/disclaimer on it.

It was blatantly pushing the narrative that no one was allowed to question the possibility of fraud or the results of the election.
 
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hog88 said:
There is a line and I will admit that I have no idea where that line is. I don't think a website like VN or a social media entity like twitter should be subject to a lawsuit for what a member posts in other words there shouldn't need to be a section 230.
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I ask because just adding (rumor) to a recent FF thread got us compared to twitter in a 4 paragraph rant.

I don't necessarily have to line their policies to think they have the right to do it. It sucks and should be driving of customers in droves
 
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Kristy* said:
Yes. I agree. I want EVERYONE to have a voice. I often wished Trump would have shut up. It could have done him a lot of service IMO. But it's not right for him to be silenced. If people want to listen or not to what he has to say, that should be their choice.
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In a perfect world, we would all have an equal voice. Don't get me wrong. I scoff at Parler but I also am disgusted with big tech freezing them out. I took Twitter off my phone in protest of all this. They are ****ing up big time. But I don't want to kill the internet just to spite twitter. I'd rather live with the problem until we find a smarter solution than removing section 230 protection, which websites of all sizes need, not just big tech.
 
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ajvol01 said:
You see no difference?

Nearly every tweet Trump made from 11/4 to 1/8 had a Twitter warning/disclaimer on it.

It was blatantly pushing the narrative that no one was allowed to question the possibility of fraud or the results of the election.
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And? I don't disagree but they have a right to handle content as they see fit just like every other social media outlet

Trump's use of twitter was a big part of his loss
 
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utvolpj said:
I ask because just adding (rumor) to a recent FF thread got us compared to twitter in a 4 paragraph rant.

I don't necessarily have to line their policies to think they have the right to do it. It sucks and should be driving of customers in droves
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It did drive off customers. That's when Big Tech had to team up and shut down it's competitor. Whether legally right or wrong, Twitter is an extremely unethical business.
 
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n_huffhines said:
No, you are not. It's their platform. You're not entitled to anything that is not yours. You're not entitled to enjoy anybody else's tech. You're entitled to whatever you own and that's where the line is drawn.

Where are the boomers when you need them to call out how entitled this generation is?
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Then hold them libel for every single false claim from any user on their platform. They should be treated no different than the news or local paper.
 
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ajvol01 said:
You see no difference?

Nearly every tweet Trump made from 11/4 to 1/8 had a Twitter warning/disclaimer on it.

It was blatantly pushing the narrative that no one was allowed to question the possibility of fraud or the results of the election.
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They were addendums to claims which were provably false. Trump was lying, and trying to sow discord and distrust.
 
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