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#26
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GeauxTigers99 said:
Summed up my feelings pretty well. I feel like Strong is the better option of the two.

I see a lot of you guys knocking him for coaching in the Big East. Yes, I understand the Big East is not a powerhouse in college football, but the guy inherited a 4-8 team in that same Big East and turned it into a 10-2 team.
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#27
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If Strong is the man for the job, I think it's a safe hire. He'll most likely recruit fairly well and build on some things that Dooley did as far as that goes. You'll have to continue to sell me on him though as far as win/loss, in game coaching, ect. It'll be a test for him and unfortunately, the leash would be fairly short with most of you. He's not going to be your "Sumlin" I don't think, but I hope he can become that.

Gundy is a stand up guy that I would gladly send my kid to go play for if I had a son. If you landed him, that'd be a steal. I don't see it happening though.

Fedora is who I thought you should have chased down. He's everything Gundy is, but cheaper. He's got something to prove and would work his guts out to do so in the SEC. He's tied to Texas in recruiting and would fit well with the young guys.

In the end, I want what's best for you. You're in the east and you're not my problem every year. If you hired Petrino, or Pelini, I would have wished you nothing but failure as I see both as scum bucket losers.

If you had landed Gruden, I would be optimistic and happy for your fanbase overall.

It looks like you'll get Strong though, and that is not all that exciting to me. Maybe he can rebuild/reload. I wish you all well, but I won't lie, Strong does not strike me as the caliber coach this school can land. He's beneath it.
 
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No worries. I hear that Hart has already polled the Alabama fans. They all agree that they would love for us to hire Charlie Strong.
 
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I left off Dabo too because of all the sh!t I took from some when I endorsed him. Dabo would've been my 2nd target. But, it is what it is.
 
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Hard to imagine any one coach striking fear into the heart of the SEC. Now the SEC striking fear into the heart of a coach, oh yeah.
 
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oregonvol said:
No worries. I hear that Hart has already polled the Alabama fans. They all agree that they would love for us to hire Charlie Strong.
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see this is what i am talking about.

who are you kidding dude? there is no one tennessee could hire that would scare an alabama fan right now.

that's not the point. a great program being run properly isn't going to fear anyone.

bama fans don't fear les miles, kevin sumlin, etc. but, those coaches have beaten bama.

nick saban and steve spurrier are the only coaches i can think of since bear bryant to cause an opposition fear
 
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Agreed. It woulda taken Gruden to make everyone step back and say, "Oh crap". Even then it would have been an uphill road. Maybe Peterson from Boise, but not likely.

After that, it's just not a fear thing at all.
 
#34
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Gundy is an offensive minded coach with a great offense. Would be a great hire.

Strong is a defensive minded coach who is winning at Louisville with offense. Not a great a hire, solid at best.

I think Hart will eventually regret not going after Dave Doeren.
 
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BuckheadVol1 said:
I am curious to what GatorBill, Waco, 99 & Friendly have to say.
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I wanted Strong at UF when they hired Meyer. (true story) I wanted Strong at UF when they hired Muschamp.

I wanted Strong at MSU when Dantonio was hired.

I obviously have been ok with the other hires so far...

I think Strong should have been hired at Cinci when Brian Kelly was hired, and at ND when Brian Kelly was hired.

The guy can recruit. #22 recruiting class in the nation at Louistinkingville!!! Give me a break. When recruiting to a top notch program (currently down, but still top notch program) like Tennessee, and a conference like the SEC, the guy is going to pull in some major studs. He has already proved as a position coach/coordinator/headcoach that he knows how to coach. And he is a damn fine man, and will be a builder of good men here at UT.

Hiring Chuck Strong will, in the long run, be the best hire you have ever made here. (I love Johnny Majors. Im a Fill Phulmer Phan. Neyland doesnt count.....too far back, and too much of a legend to compare anyone too. Wouldnt be fair) Bookmark this page if you like. I believe he delivers multiple national Championships.

While I am excited for my kid, who is a LadyVol and will finally get real football from her school, it sucks as a Gator. Bigtime.

But my boy claims he will be playing Football at UT (Cause his sister goes to school there!), so Chuck has to hang around for another 12-16 years.

Really not happy as a Gator, but as a football fan in general, this would be an excellent hire.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
Mack Brown recruits well too Gatorbill. So there's that.
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Mack also spent too much of his life in Cookeville, where every game is winnable except the big one. (no offense to cookevillians, there have been some good coaches here....)
 
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I mean lets be honest here. Strong is a younger black coach and will appeal to some great athletes. Mack does so based on the brand. Sumlin does so because he wins. Strong does so because he's the hottest thing in Kentucky. Not racist at all mind you, but lets not paint with a broad stroke that because he turned in a 22 means the guy can run up against the Sec East automatically.
 
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TXA&M07 said:
I mean lets be honest here. Strong is a younger black coach and will appeal to some great athletes. Mack does so based on the brand. Sumlin does so because he wins. Strong does so because he's the hottest thing in Kentucky. Not racist at all mind you, but lets not paint with a broad stroke that because he turned in a 22 means the guy can run up against the Sec East automatically.
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But he is running up a 22 at Louisville. Facilities suck. The conference sucks. The town sucks. It is a Basketball school. They do not play for national championships at Louisville.

Tennessee on the other hand. Great School. Great Conference. Great Facilities. Great town. And you will play for national championships.

Chucks coaching ability has been well documented. It is impeccable. If he were the DC at Bama, or LSU, folks here would be drooling all over him. He has proven he can coach. He has proven at every stop that he can recruit. He already has the seats broken in on the transition from DC to head coaching issue. He has kicked the tires, checked the oil, and is ready for the big time.
 
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Man I hope you're right. Really do. I don't see it like you but, hey, that's the beauty of the Internet and opinions.
 
#42
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TXA&M07 said:
If Strong is the man for the job, I think it's a safe hire. He'll most likely recruit fairly well and build on some things that Dooley did as far as that goes. You'll have to continue to sell me on him though as far as win/loss, in game coaching, ect. It'll be a test for him and unfortunately, the leash would be fairly short with most of you. He's not going to be your "Sumlin" I don't think, but I hope he can become that.

Gundy is a stand up guy that I would gladly send my kid to go play for if I had a son. If you landed him, that'd be a steal. I don't see it happening though.

Fedora is who I thought you should have chased down. He's everything Gundy is, but cheaper. He's got something to prove and would work his guts out to do so in the SEC. He's tied to Texas in recruiting and would fit well with the young guys.

In the end, I want what's best for you. You're in the east and you're not my problem every year. If you hired Petrino, or Pelini, I would have wished you nothing but failure as I see both as scum bucket losers.

If you had landed Gruden, I would be optimistic and happy for your fanbase overall.

It looks like you'll get Strong though, and that is not all that exciting to me. Maybe he can rebuild/reload. I wish you all well, but I won't lie, Strong does not strike me as the caliber coach this school can land. He's beneath it.
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I was hoping Hamilton would've taken Sumlin the last time around. He was in a similar position, then, as Strong is in now...relatively thin resume as a HC. But unlike Dooley, he was successful, even if it was in a much smaller conference....just like the same criticisms leveled against Strong.

I think Hamilton put too much stock in Dooley's (last) name recognition, and experience in the SEC under Saban (albeit as a position coach). The glaring omission was a winning record as a HC. That turned out to be a catastrophic failure on Hamilton's part, and one reason he is no longer here.

I think Strong will be able to recruit lights out, and a tough defense is absolutely imperative. He gives us both. Plus, his Florida and South Carolina recruiting connections will be golden...especially if he brings Randy Shannon in (from TCU, currently), and keeps his DL coach. That's 3 big Florida recruiters. We need that. I also think he will establish a big pipeline in GA, too. People that keep claiming we have a small in-state recruiting base, forget that GA has been our base, for years...and it's been plentiful for us. It's less than an hour or two drive for many of the athletes we've recruited there.
 
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#43
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TXA&M07 said:
I mean lets be honest here. Strong is a younger black coach and will appeal to some great athletes. Mack does so based on the brand. Sumlin does so because he wins. Strong does so because he's the hottest thing in Kentucky. Not racist at all mind you, but lets not paint with a broad stroke that because he turned in a 22 means the guy can run up against the Sec East automatically.
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+1,000. I don't ever like to use race as an excuse, but Strong has appeal there it's undeniable. It seems like to me he would relish this opportunity and work hard to pull the top recruits. I don't pay attention to all the negative on this board because I think people are over the top with expectations of this program right now.
 
#44
#44
I really don't think race has any impact on recruiting. I have never seen any evidence of it at any NCAA school.
 
#45
#45
GatorBill said:
WARNING: TL;WR
I wanted Strong at UF when they hired Meyer. (true story) I wanted Strong at UF when they hired Muschamp.

I wanted Strong at MSU when Dantonio was hired.

I obviously have been ok with the other hires so far...

I think Strong should have been hired at Cinci when Brian Kelly was hired, and at ND when Brian Kelly was hired.

The guy can recruit. #22 recruiting class in the nation at Louistinkingville!!! Give me a break. When recruiting to a top notch program (currently down, but still top notch program) like Tennessee, and a conference like the SEC, the guy is going to pull in some major studs. He has already proved as a position coach/coordinator/headcoach that he knows how to coach. And he is a damn fine man, and will be a builder of good men here at UT.

Hiring Chuck Strong will, in the long run, be the best hire you have ever made here. (I love Johnny Majors. Im a Fill Phulmer Phan. Neyland doesnt count.....too far back, and too much of a legend to compare anyone too. Wouldnt be fair) Bookmark this page if you like. I believe he delivers multiple national Championships.

While I am excited for my kid, who is a LadyVol and will finally get real football from her school, it sucks as a Gator. Bigtime.

But my boy claims he will be playing Football at UT (Cause his sister goes to school there!), so Chuck has to hang around for another 12-16 years.

Really not happy as a Gator, but as a football fan in general, this would be an excellent hire.
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hope it sucks for you,a very long time and with your grand kids playing for the Vols too Gator Bill :)
 
#46
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governmentmule said:
hope it sucks for you,a very long time and with your grand kids playing for the Vols too Gator Bill :)
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Kid turned down a full scholly at Mich St and UF to attend UT and stay close to mom and pop. I guess we are doing something right as parents.....sigh....

and ironically, I hope you are right. :eek:lol:

:hi:
 
#47
#47
TXA&M07 said:
Man I hope you're right. Really do. I don't see it like you but, hey, that's the beauty of the Internet and opinions.
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that is indeed the beauty. I enjoy the conversations and differing opinions, especially with posters like you who put them respectfully. Makes for a nice little place here.
:good!::good!:
 
#48
#48
Dr H Lecter said:
I really don't think race has any impact on recruiting. I have never seen any evidence of it at any NCAA school.
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I think it does. If you don't believe that, look at the vast majority of Blacks who voted for Obama. Most of that is because of party affiliation, but the numbers clearly indicate them choosing race. Look at Colin Powell...a Republican who had been strongly endorsing Obama.

It has more of an effect than most want to admit, especially when there are such low numbers of black coaches in the coaching profession. It's not an overwhelming advantage, but all things being equal, I can't help but believe having a successful AA HC only enhances our recruiting capabilities.

You'll see it come to fruition soon enough. Watch the dramatic turn in our recruiting class this year alone. In fact, outside of Gruden, I think Strong is the only prospect who can convince Hunter and Patterson to stay.
 
#49
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99gator said:
strong is a very good x's and o's guy. he's always been calm for a defensive guy. most d-coord's are energetic fireballs and he's never been that way.

has great recruiting connections in florida and has made a winner in louisville by getting the scraps out of florida that no one else takes.

strong will eliminate "stuck on stupid". he also personifies class.

has a very good eye for talent that isn't on everybody's who's who list
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Yea, strong can get fla scraps and diamonds in the rough. I feel enthused already.
 
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#50
This has by far, been the best thread. I appreciate differing opinions from fans of all schools being conducted in a respectful manor. Kudos to every poster in here. I do not know much about Fedora, but he seems like he is getting some attention from Tennessee. Could someone please enlighten me? I am in favor of the Strong hire, but if he chooses to remain loyal to the school that gave him his first HC gig when he probably should have been hired sooner, I couldn't blame him.
 
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