Rivals Hates Us

#51
#51
DaddyChad said:
Let me just say this, schools like Bama and Clemson get bumps a lot for their players. Generally BC they have a history of being better at evaluation and development. Tennessee has a history of pissing away talent over the last decade. I think this will turn around with Pruitt though.
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This is the deal. After what anyone has witnessed happen to 4&5* players at UT over the past 10years, how could you not be tempted to question out signees?
 
#52
#52
TennMan101 said:
If I'm not mistaking, they rank the players based on how they project to the college level. There is no way there's that much movement within the last month of recruiting before NSD. Also, where a player commits and signs has nothing to do with the talent they have coming out of high school! Rivals has been a joke for a couple few years now. It's all about 24/7 and their composite ranking, now.
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Which came first the chicken or the egg? The talent that a player has coming out of HS has a lot to do w where they commit and sign. Alabama is a historical juggernaut in recruiting at the moment. I hate it. But if someone signs there it is honestly another indicator (not the only) of talent. They have earned that right due to thier results.
 
#53
#53
livefaith said:
Which came first the chicken or the egg? The talent that a player has coming out of HS has a lot to do w where they commit and sign. Alabama is a historical juggernaut in recruiting at the moment. I hate it. But if someone signs there it is honestly another indicator (not the only) of talent. They have earned that right due to thier results.
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We also get our fair share of juggernauts! Wanya Morris, QCrouch, Gray, DWright (more than likely) and several other unmentioned players. Are you insinuating that our signees are no good because UT has had a down decade? If so, I disagree. CBJ just couldn't develop the Blue Chips, once they got on campus.
 
#54
#54
TennMan101 said:
If I'm not mistaking, they rank the players based on how they project to the college level. There is no way there's that much movement within the last month of recruiting before NSD. Also, where a player commits and signs has nothing to do with the talent they have coming out of high school! Rivals has been a joke for a couple few years now. It's all about 24/7 and their composite ranking, now.
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Bama players have got a bump for some time. Kids are ranked like you say on how analysts see them projecting but analysts also look at committable offers and bump kids based on where they are committed at times.
 
#56
#56
Crouch fell in the ratings cause he didn’t play his senior year, practically. No anti-UT conspiracy there. Then you cite rankings for Bama’s players which show 8 moving up, 8 moving down, and 4 with no changes comparing their rankings to 4 cherry-picked UT commits and one UT target?Okay. Throw in some poorly defined math and no specification as to what timeframe is involved (players are reranked multiple times over a two year period). Don’t get it, and don’t see the proof of what you’re implying. If your point is that recruiting services are over ranking Bama players, watch the game tonight. They’re not overranking them.
 
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#58
volroadwarrior said:
Recruiting services have to sell subscriptions and ads. They need click bait and they will do the rankings that they believe will make them the most $s. Period. End of discussion.
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Yes, Think about it. Who is spending more money on subscriptions? I would say the fans of the top 5 recruiting ratings are spending much more than other schools fans, especially Bama. Even low income families in Bama probably spend money to see recruiting 'supposed insider info'. I have never nor will I ever waste my money to get BIASED OPINIONS. Most of them have never seen the players in person to evaluate, just some film that shows all the good to great highlights. How is that a true evaluation?
 
#60
#60
TNHopeful505 said:
As of today:

Quavaris Crouch - Down 21 spots to #30
Darnell Wright - Down 2 spots to #6 (I know, not ours yet)
Wanya Morris - Down 16 spots to #32
Eric Gray - No change, still at #233
Jaylen McCullough - Down 68 spots to #215

The ONLY bright spot was that they moved Ramel Keyton up 28 spots to #159.

Our players went down an average of 21.4 spots, 26.25 spots if you don't count Wright. Even factoring in Keyton, it's still an average drop of 15.4 spots for our 5 commits.

Compare to Alabama:
Trey Sanders - Up 4 spots to #2
Evan Neal - Up 18 spots to #11
Antonio Alfano - Up 75 spots to #22
Shane Lee - No change, #46
Khris Bogle - Down 1 to #50
Pierce Quick - Down 5 to #62
Amari Kight - Down 5 to #65
Demarcco Hellams - Up 24 to #79
Taulia Tagovailoa - Up 89 spots to #112
Christian Williams - Down 22 spots to #117
Byron Young - No change at #127
Jordan Battle - Up 55 spots to #134
Justin Eboigbe - Down 4 spots to #161
Marcus Banks - No change at #179
Brandon Turnage - Up 50 spots to #180
John Metchie - Up 6 spots to #185
Kevin Harris - Down 17 spots to #204
King Mwikuta - Down 105 to #207
Jahleel Billingsley - Down 9 spots to #220
Braylen Ingraham - No change at #241

If you're doing the math, that's an average jump of 40 spots, and an average fall of 21 spots (mostly due to Mwikuta being down 105)
The movement of the portion of the class in the 250 was approximately upwards 321 spots, and downwards only 168, and that's with 20 players.

Compare that to ours, who with only 5 players (not counting Wright), we dropped 105 spots, and gained only 28. With that rate, with 20 players, we'd have dropped 420 spots, and only risen about 112.

I realize it's not all comparable, but you CANNOT tell me that all of a sudden out of nowhere, someone decided "Hey, Taulia, the brother of the best QB Alabama has had in the Saban era, all of a sudden got SO good that we should move him up 89 spots!"

I just think it is incredibly obvious that Rivals has an agenda to promote Bama, and apparently their rankings revolve around who commits/signs with Bama. It is absolutely sickening. I know and believe that Saban is a good evaluator of talent. But not THAT good.

Ugh. Buck Fama. Hope Saban goes to the NFL one more time, and Kirby goes with him. Go Clemson.

And more importantly and above all else, Go Vols.
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I agree with what he said . 👆
 
#62
#62
This is as dumb as when people think ESPN has some agenda.

They dont. We just have a bunch of idiots and crybabies.

Bama recruits the best. Their players have high rankings. Duh

When we are good, like basketball, ESPN talks about us positively. Not rocket science and not some grand conspiracy.
 
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#64
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TNHopeful505 said:
As of today:

Quavaris Crouch - Down 21 spots to #30
Darnell Wright - Down 2 spots to #6 (I know, not ours yet)
Wanya Morris - Down 16 spots to #32
Eric Gray - No change, still at #233
Jaylen McCullough - Down 68 spots to #215

The ONLY bright spot was that they moved Ramel Keyton up 28 spots to #159.

Our players went down an average of 21.4 spots, 26.25 spots if you don't count Wright. Even factoring in Keyton, it's still an average drop of 15.4 spots for our 5 commits.

Compare to Alabama:
Trey Sanders - Up 4 spots to #2
Evan Neal - Up 18 spots to #11
Antonio Alfano - Up 75 spots to #22
Shane Lee - No change, #46
Khris Bogle - Down 1 to #50
Pierce Quick - Down 5 to #62
Amari Kight - Down 5 to #65
Demarcco Hellams - Up 24 to #79
Taulia Tagovailoa - Up 89 spots to #112
Christian Williams - Down 22 spots to #117
Byron Young - No change at #127
Jordan Battle - Up 55 spots to #134
Justin Eboigbe - Down 4 spots to #161
Marcus Banks - No change at #179
Brandon Turnage - Up 50 spots to #180
John Metchie - Up 6 spots to #185
Kevin Harris - Down 17 spots to #204
King Mwikuta - Down 105 to #207
Jahleel Billingsley - Down 9 spots to #220
Braylen Ingraham - No change at #241

If you're doing the math, that's an average jump of 40 spots, and an average fall of 21 spots (mostly due to Mwikuta being down 105)
The movement of the portion of the class in the 250 was approximately upwards 321 spots, and downwards only 168, and that's with 20 players.

Compare that to ours, who with only 5 players (not counting Wright), we dropped 105 spots, and gained only 28. With that rate, with 20 players, we'd have dropped 420 spots, and only risen about 112.

I realize it's not all comparable, but you CANNOT tell me that all of a sudden out of nowhere, someone decided "Hey, Taulia, the brother of the best QB Alabama has had in the Saban era, all of a sudden got SO good that we should move him up 89 spots!"

I just think it is incredibly obvious that Rivals has an agenda to promote Bama, and apparently their rankings revolve around who commits/signs with Bama. It is absolutely sickening. I know and believe that Saban is a good evaluator of talent. But not THAT good.

Ugh. Buck Fama. Hope Saban goes to the NFL one more time, and Kirby goes with him. Go Clemson.

And more importantly and above all else, Go Vols.
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The one guy they move up for us is the guy who didn't even play because of injury lol.
 
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#65
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TNHopeful505 said:
As of today:

Quavaris Crouch - Down 21 spots to #30
Darnell Wright - Down 2 spots to #6 (I know, not ours yet)
Wanya Morris - Down 16 spots to #32
Eric Gray - No change, still at #233
Jaylen McCullough - Down 68 spots to #215

The ONLY bright spot was that they moved Ramel Keyton up 28 spots to #159.

Our players went down an average of 21.4 spots, 26.25 spots if you don't count Wright. Even factoring in Keyton, it's still an average drop of 15.4 spots for our 5 commits.

Compare to Alabama:
Trey Sanders - Up 4 spots to #2
Evan Neal - Up 18 spots to #11
Antonio Alfano - Up 75 spots to #22
Shane Lee - No change, #46
Khris Bogle - Down 1 to #50
Pierce Quick - Down 5 to #62
Amari Kight - Down 5 to #65
Demarcco Hellams - Up 24 to #79
Taulia Tagovailoa - Up 89 spots to #112
Christian Williams - Down 22 spots to #117
Byron Young - No change at #127
Jordan Battle - Up 55 spots to #134
Justin Eboigbe - Down 4 spots to #161
Marcus Banks - No change at #179
Brandon Turnage - Up 50 spots to #180
John Metchie - Up 6 spots to #185
Kevin Harris - Down 17 spots to #204
King Mwikuta - Down 105 to #207
Jahleel Billingsley - Down 9 spots to #220
Braylen Ingraham - No change at #241

If you're doing the math, that's an average jump of 40 spots, and an average fall of 21 spots (mostly due to Mwikuta being down 105)
The movement of the portion of the class in the 250 was approximately upwards 321 spots, and downwards only 168, and that's with 20 players.

Compare that to ours, who with only 5 players (not counting Wright), we dropped 105 spots, and gained only 28. With that rate, with 20 players, we'd have dropped 420 spots, and only risen about 112.

I realize it's not all comparable, but you CANNOT tell me that all of a sudden out of nowhere, someone decided "Hey, Taulia, the brother of the best QB Alabama has had in the Saban era, all of a sudden got SO good that we should move him up 89 spots!"

I just think it is incredibly obvious that Rivals has an agenda to promote Bama, and apparently their rankings revolve around who commits/signs with Bama. It is absolutely sickening. I know and believe that Saban is a good evaluator of talent. But not THAT good.

Ugh. Buck Fama. Hope Saban goes to the NFL one more time, and Kirby goes with him. Go Clemson.

And more importantly and above all else, Go Vols.
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Because 4* & 5* players the past 8 yrs have come here and left as 2* or 3*s with our coaching!

🙄🙄🙄
 
#66
#66
These recruiting services all are a joke. But here's the thing, Bama seems to take it to the bank every single year with Nattys. So these recruiting services realize Bama knows more about recruiting and how good players are than they do, so they defer to who Bama has picked as the best players, well, because at Bama they will be the best players.
 
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k-town_king said:
This is as dumb as when people think ESPN has some agenda.

They dont. We just have a bunch of idiots and crybabies.

Bama recruits the best. Their players have high rankings. Duh

When we are good, like basketball, ESPN talks about us positively. Not rocket science and not some grand conspiracy.
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But it seems that bama players seem to get better after they commit or sign to bama. Their players move up drastically. Some move down but some move DRASTICALLY up. And it seems like their rankings go up after bama "finds them?" Its not like Taulia wasnt good before bama signed him. But people are gonna act like they didn't have him ranked right? Tua blows up and nobody says "hey let's check out his little brother who may be good too?" You mean to say that nobody said early on "this kid is good, wow!?"

By the way, this did NOT happen with Georgia's recruits. There was some positive movement but nothing like this. Just feels skewed
 
#68
#68
MWAVolfan said:
These recruiting services all are a joke. But here's the thing, Bama seems to take it to the bank every single year with Nattys. So these recruiting services realize Bama knows more about recruiting and how good players are than they do, so they defer to who Bama has picked as the best players, well, because at Bama they will be the best players.
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Not how it works.

99% of their high ranked recruits were ranked high before Bama recruited them.
 
#69
#69
TNHopeful505 said:
But it seems that bama players seem to get better after they commit or sign to bama. Their players move up drastically. Some move down but some move DRASTICALLY up. And it seems like their rankings go up after bama "finds them?" Its not like Taulia wasnt good before bama signed him. But people are gonna act like they didn't have him ranked right? Tua blows up and nobody says "hey let's check out his little brother who may be good too?" You mean to say that nobody said early on "this kid is good, wow!?"

By the way, this did NOT happen with Georgia's recruits. There was some positive movement but nothing like this. Just feels skewed
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Their players performed better in the AA games. Simple as that.
 
#70
#70
volroadwarrior said:
Recruiting services have to sell subscriptions and ads. They need click bait and they will do the rankings that they believe will make them the most $s. Period. End of discussion.
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Based on what I see here, there should be a big incentive to juice (not decline) Tennessee commits' rankings then, because people sure do seem to get upset when they are lowered.

I never have understood raising or lowering a prospect's ranking based on where they commit anyway. Isn't the star rating a function of how good a high school player they are? Or is it a projection of how good a college player they are going to be?
 
#72
#72
I’m way more concerned that Bama has 20 players in the 250 compared to our 5. I don’t care that some moved up and some moved down. The gap widens.
 
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#74
#74
I think Rivals has our class ranked higher than 247. What we finish last year, 20th? Gonna be about what, 15th this year?
 
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