Road Officiating

#26
#26
Simply too much money and too much at stake in the playoffs.

Gambling will have its moments influencing officials, players, coaches, games, fans, you name it, but, at this moment in college football, it is assuring the $EC/BIG10/etc. reach the playoffs at all costs and activities. The conference leadership knows it, the university presidents know it, the coaches know it, the refs know it... we we, as fans, should know it.

I can't read into the future to tell you what this means for a 12 team playoff. Will things get worse or get better? I say "flip a coin", but I'm not sure that it not two headed. That's how much I trust the people in charge.
 
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Not sure what this means but here is some data on last year's NCs (Georgia)

5 games at Neutral sites. UGA had 23 penalties for 223 yards. opponents had 24 penalties for 186 Yds

6 games at home, UGA had 25 penalties for 254 yards, opponents had 39 penalties for 247 yards

3 road games. UGA had 18 penalties for 196 yards, opponents had 20 penalties for 179 yards

When I get a couple hours I can do that for entire SEC...
 
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newyorkvol said:
First of all, I don’t want to sound like I’m blaming officiating. However…..

I read a stat on Twitter yesterday that the only live ball penalty against Tennessee opponents in three road games was 3 minutes into the Florida game.

In total, the home team in those games was penalized 10/56. Tennessee penalized 27/204. Tennessee was also the favored team in 2/3 of those games.

So, my question is this….

1) Is Tennessee just that undisciplined?
2) is this just a statistical anomaly?
3) is there actually something nefarious going on?
4) is it just referee incompetence/indifference?
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I will come out and say it for you. I DO blame officiating for making it very difficult to keep our momentum strong on the road. It has been disgraceful, unethical and borderline criminal. Especially the Bama game. I never though officiating errors were that big of a factor until the Bama game. I don’t know how anyone can watch the Bama game without agreeing that the refs were extremely biased. I don’t have any respect at all for Saban. He knows he’s getting favors. Before Big Orange Train responds that refs had nothing to do with the outcome, I’m not saying we would have won. All I wanted was a fair playing field so we could at least try to come back without any bias.
 
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Our numbers of Vol fans betting push the numbers where Vegas takes a loss against the spread.... They have influence into trying to influence the game.... Follow the money
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not sure what this means but here is some data on last year's NCs (Georgia)

5 games at Neutral sites. UGA had 23 penalties for 223 yards. opponents had 24 penalties for 186 Yds

6 games at home, UGA had 25 penalties for 254 yards, opponents had 39 penalties for 247 yards

3 road games. UGA had 18 penalties for 196 yards, opponents had 20 penalties for 179 yards

When I get a couple hours I can do that for entire SEC...
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Your data seems to suggest some bias for home games. The others seem reasonable. Curious to see what Bamas numbers are. We know it’s going to be lopsided for their home games, but I wonder if it is also more lopsided for neutral and away sites. It could just be me, but it feels like Bama gets even more breaks than Georgia. If so, that would test the theory that the SEC is only trying to ensure Georgia and Bama get in the playoff. Is there some other motive involving Bama that gets them more favors than any other team? Is the mob working with Saban?
 
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BigALWiLson said:
I would say it is a gambling issue. Has been notoriously worse since betting on games has become legal abroad. There are no consequences for bad officiating. Which to me is absolutely killing a once great sport. Like the new rules this year to shorten games. Yet we get more commercials on a tv broadcast. The NCAA doesn't give a damn how long these kids play, they care about the paycheck.
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And a bunch of BS reviews they still get wrong!! what the _ _ _ _
 
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Volizona said:
Your data seems to suggest some bias for home games. The others seem reasonable. Curious to see what Bamas numbers are. We know it’s going to be lopsided for their home games, but I wonder if it is also more lopsided for neutral and away sites. It could just be me, but it feels like Bama gets even more breaks than Georgia. If so, that would test the theory that the SEC is only trying to ensure Georgia and Bama get in the playoff. Is there some other motive involving Bama that gets them more favors than any other team? Is the mob working with Saban?
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this is for the 2022 season for Alabama

Broke it out for OOC games and SEC games

OOC Games 4 of them

3 games at home: Bama 16 for 130 yards. Opponents 17 for 165 yards

SEC games, 4 at home and 4 on the road

At home, Bama 26 for 250 yards, opponents 34 for 244 yards

On the road, Bama 41 for 368 yards, opponents 25 for 184 yards

one neutral game which was the bowl game. Bama had 5 for 45 yards. Kansas St had 6 for 40 yards

observation: on the road a team should commit more penalties than at home, crowd affect.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not sure what this means but here is some data on last year's NCs (Georgia)

5 games at Neutral sites. UGA had 23 penalties for 223 yards. opponents had 24 penalties for 186 Yds

6 games at home, UGA had 25 penalties for 254 yards, opponents had 39 penalties for 247 yards

3 road games. UGA had 18 penalties for 196 yards, opponents had 20 penalties for 179 yards

When I get a couple hours I can do that for entire SEC...
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We actually had a pretty amazing call go our way in the UGA game last year when they ruled it wasn't a safety when Carter knocked the ball out of Hooker's hand and a lineman jumped on it. We didn't get that ball out of the endzone. Anybody that doubts me, go back and look at the game thread, I remember we pretty much all agreed it was a break. Of course, it didn't matter because we couldn't stop them from anywhere on the field in the first half anyway.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
And has anyone even heard of a "disconcerting signals" penalty before the last two weeks?
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I have but never at the opposing teams stadium. I mean when Offenses are at a loud sound enhanced stadium I can see them going on clapping rhythm. But it was dead quiet when UK had the ball and they got #44 for clapping. Never seen an away team get that at another stadium, leave it to be the Vols to break barriers on unique penalties.
We changed the rule stand over the ball allow D to sub. Lost to LSU because of.
We changed the rule 10 second runoff for offense penalty. We lost Bowl game to UNC because of.
We are either the whipping boy or the guinea pig 🤔 🤔🤣
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
And has anyone even heard of a "disconcerting signals" penalty before the last two weeks?
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if that is the hand clapping, yes, I've seen that in other games. I watch all SEC games and most top 25 teams play each week. I've seen it many times already
 
#43
#43
Perhaps they should liven things up some. Announce 2 snipers are somewhere within the stadium, one for each team. Any egregious calls/no calls can result in one of those said snipers picking a random target on the officiating team to.....no longer officiate.
 
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vols1071 said:
Our numbers of Vol fans betting push the numbers where Vegas takes a loss against the spread.... They have influence into trying to influence the game.... Follow the money
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I was watching an interview on YT the other day, and in the back ground over his shoulder was a little sign with that same saying. "Follow the money".
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I fashioned a tin foil hat before saying this, but it dern sure does feel like someone is out to get us.

I have often wondered if it were some kind of personaL vendetta. Maybe Heup called someone a name or said something about their momma, but after Kensucky, it feels much bigger than that.

The only thing that truly makes sense is that the conference truly does want bama and UGAly in the driver's seat
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Is it so hard to believe Sec officials would influence what teams get in big bowl games. Playoff games/ national title games pay hundreds of millions of dollars to their respective teams. It would explain alot.
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not sure what this means but here is some data on last year's NCs (Georgia)

5 games at Neutral sites. UGA had 23 penalties for 223 yards. opponents had 24 penalties for 186 Yds

6 games at home, UGA had 25 penalties for 254 yards, opponents had 39 penalties for 247 yards

3 road games. UGA had 18 penalties for 196 yards, opponents had 20 penalties for 179 yards

When I get a couple hours I can do that for entire SEC...
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Great point. The bulldogs are like 45/1. How is that possible?
 
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LWSVOL said:
Not sure what this means but here is some data on last year's NCs (Georgia)

5 games at Neutral sites. UGA had 23 penalties for 223 yards. opponents had 24 penalties for 186 Yds

6 games at home, UGA had 25 penalties for 254 yards, opponents had 39 penalties for 247 yards

3 road games. UGA had 18 penalties for 196 yards, opponents had 20 penalties for 179 yards

When I get a couple hours I can do that for entire SEC...
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Meaningful data, but how many are make-up calls after the game is decided?
Also there is no database of penalties not called.
 
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#48
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This thread makes me wonder if I should even bother watching any more games. If the outcome is already predetermined, what's the point?
 
#50
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Officials should get a weekly efficiency rating that is publicly posted and their being assigned to big games would then be based on the rating.

Their pay should be 50 base pay. 50% bonus. The % of bonus they attain would be based on their efficiency rating average for the year.

I bet, they get a lot better as long as the grading is done by outside conference group with no reason to be biased.
 
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