Roe vs Wade Overturned

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I haven't been in this thread for a while, but have any of the pro-abortion people answered my question as to why the babies necessarily have to be killed if there is a medically feasible/available way of salvaging their lives?
 
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Despite their Trump like thin skin and staunch ideology, Trumpers do exercise some principles. In this forum specifically, they're all about cancelling your ass if they know they can't respond
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I haven't been in this thread for a while, but have any of the pro-abortion people answered my question as to why the babies necessarily have to be killed if there is a medically feasible/available way of salvaging their lives?
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I consider myself to be pro-choice; not "pro-abortion," as you put it. I wish abortions were never necessary. Every abortion is a tragedy in its own way. Unfortunately, however, unwanted pregnancies are not always the fault of an irresponsible woman.
In my opinion, state abortion laws should include an exception provision for women who became pregnant from a rape. The Ohio law does not. Any other argument, concerning the duration of the pregnancy, the age or the degree of health risk to the mother, would have been rendered mute, if the abortion law in Ohio included a rape exception. This issue is going to continue to dog Republicans, until they stop trying to force women who were raped, to give birth to the baby of their attacker. That is cruel. The majority of polls conducted in the United States over the last 30 years, show that Americans overwhelmingly approve of a rape exception being made for abortion.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I consider myself to be pro-choice; not "pro-abortion," as you put it. I wish abortions were never necessary. Every abortion is a tragedy in its own way. Unfortunately, however,, unwanted pregnancies are not always the fault of an irresponsible woman.
In my opinion, state abortion laws should include an exception provision for women who became pregnant from a rape. The Ohio law does not. Any other argument, concerning the duration of the pregnancy, the age or the degree of health risk to the mother, would have been rendered mute, if the abortion law in Ohio included a rape exception. This issue is going to continue to dog Republicans, until they stop trying to force women who were raped, to give birth to the baby of their attacker. That is cruel. The majority of polls conducted in the United States over the last 30 years, show that Americans overwhelmingly approve of a rape exception being made for abortion.
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If you make an exception for rape, you have no law against abortion, because “patients lie”.

There’s nothing cruel about it. Emergency contraceptives can up to nearly a week post rape and even then you have 6 weeks to seek care. Where’s the problem?
 
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Vol8188 said:
If you make an exception for rape, you have no law against abortion, because “patients lie”.

There’s nothing cruel about it. Emergency contraceptives can up to nearly a week post rape and even then you have 6 weeks to seek care. Where’s the problem?
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That is ridiculous. A woman seeking to use a rape provision can be required to have a police report.

What's the problem? Your remedy would not have prevented the 10 year old girl in Ohio from getting pregnant. She was a child impregnated by her mother's boyfriend, who had probably threatened her not to tell anyone what he was doing to her. Now, some of you will say that this is an extraordinary case which won't arise very often. That is true, and that is all the more reason as to why the exception should be there. It won't have an impact on very many pregnancies at all.

It is cruel to force a woman who is coping with the anxiety of having been violated, to carry a baby to term, with the constant reminder of what happened to them.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That is ridiculous. A woman seeking to use a rape provision can be required to have a police report.

What's the problem? Your remedy would not have prevented the 10 year old girl in Ohio from getting pregnant. She was a child impregnated by her mother's boyfriend, who had probably threatened her not to tell anyone what he was doing to her. Now, some of you will say, that this is an extraordinary case which arise very often. That is true, and it also is more of reason as to why the exception should be there. It won't have an impact on very many pregnancies at all.

It is cruel to force a woman who is coping with the anxiety of having been violated, to carry a baby to term, with the constant reminder of what happened to them.
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So you’re okay with aborting a child from rape at any point?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Hell yes!
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I think you hold a far more disgusting view. Why would how a child’s made make their life of any less value?

If we can abort the kid at 32 weeks gestation, why not after birth also, since both are equally viable and the only difference is their location. Do you see location as a contributing factor to the value of someone’s life?
 
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Vol8188 said:
I think you hold a far more disgusting view. Why would how a child’s made make their life of any less value?

If we can abort the kid at 32 weeks gestation, why not after birth also, since both are equally viable and the only difference is their location. Do you see location as a contributing factor to the value of someone’s life?
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This isn't about the fetus. It's about the mother not being forced to give birth to her attacker's baby. Such a mandate is cruel and disgusting, in my opinion. Poll after poll, shows that a majority of Americans agree with me on this, and that includes pro-life people.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This isn't about the fetus. It's about the mother not being forced to give birth to her attacker's baby. Such a mandate is cruel and disgusting, in my opinion. Poll after poll, shows that a majority of Americans agree with me on this, and that includes pro-life people.
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I’ve never really cared much for the opinion of the masses. If you have 6 weeks, the option to use emergency birth control, the option to use regular contraceptives, and the option to go to another state if you fail to seek care within 6 weeks, what exactly is cruel about that?

How is that “force”?

At some point the value of the child’s life has to be factored in.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I’ve never really cared much for the opinion of the masses. If you have 6 weeks, the option to use emergency birth control, the option to use regular contraceptives, and the option to go to another state if you fail to seek care within 6 weeks, what exactly is cruel about that?

How is that “force”?

At some point the value of the child’s life has to be factored in.
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None of that would prevent girls like this 10 year old in Ohio from being impregnated by an attacker. If the pregnancy resulted from sexual abuse, whatever is best for the mother should come first. If she doesn't make it to the clinic within 6 weeks, the provision should remain... though they may be rare, I know of a woman who did not realize she was pregnant until she was near the end of her first trimester. It happens.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
None of that would prevent girls like this 10 year old in Ohio from being impregnated by an attacker. If the pregnancy resulted from sexual abuse, whatever is best for the mother should come first. If she doesn't make it to the clinic within 6 weeks, the provision should remain... though they may be rare, I know of a woman who did not realize she was pregnant until she was near the end of her first trimester. It happens.
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Then they will have to travel. Plenty of people travel for healthcare.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I consider myself to be pro-choice; not "pro-abortion," as you put it. I wish abortions were never necessary. Every abortion is a tragedy in its own way. Unfortunately, however, unwanted pregnancies are not always the fault of an irresponsible woman.
In my opinion, state abortion laws should include an exception provision for women who became pregnant from a rape. The Ohio law does not. Any other argument, concerning the duration of the pregnancy, the age or the degree of health risk to the mother, would have been rendered mute, if the abortion law in Ohio included a rape exception. This issue is going to continue to dog Republicans, until they stop trying to force women who were raped, to give birth to the baby of their attacker. That is cruel. The majority of polls conducted in the United States over the last 30 years, show that Americans overwhelmingly approve of a rape exception being made for abortion.
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So you didn't answer my question either.

Also, just how many of these abortions are the result of rape vs "an irresponsible woman"?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This isn't about the fetus. It's about the mother not being forced to give birth to her attacker's baby. Such a mandate is cruel and disgusting, in my opinion. Poll after poll, shows that a majority of Americans agree with me on this, and that includes pro-life people.
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Again, if there is a medically available method of saving the baby, why kill it?
 
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whodeycin85 said:
There are 1000s of false rape claim yearly
Just from college campuses. So lady X claims rape get an abortion, then rape claim is found false...now are you comfortable with a charge of murder for the accuser and manslaughter for the Dr?
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That shouldn't preclude a rape provision from being on the books.

Instances of filing false reports in order to have an abortion, would have to be handled on a case by case basis. The facts, including those associated with your hypothetical scenario, will not always be the same.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That shouldn't preclude a rape provision from being on the books.

Instances of filing false reports in order to have an abortion, would have to be handled on a case by case basis. The facts, including those associated with your hypothetical scenario, will not always be the same.
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What percentage of abortions are a result of rape?
 
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