Romney what are you doing???

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#301
theFallGuy said:
Polls are so precise.

Dukakis Lead Widens, According to New Poll - NYTimes.com
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Polls are a snapshot of the race at the time taken.
Events can happen that can cause the poll numbers to change.

Bush ran a smart campaign that defined Dukakis with a couple of ads that destroyed him

1.The Willie Horton ad.

Willie Horton 1988 Attack Ad - YouTube

2 Dukakis riding in a tank.

Michael Dukakis The Tank Ad 1988 ElectionWallDotOrg - YouTube


Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis a question about the Death penaly in the second debate. The answer Dukakis gave did not help his case.

Dukakis-Bush debate: death penalty - YouTube
 
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#302
Gramps said:
Polls are a snapshot of the race at the time taken.
Events can happen that can cause the poll numbers to change.

Bush ran a smart campaign that defined Dukakis with a couple of ads that destroyed him

1.The Willie Horton ad.

Willie Horton 1988 Attack Ad - YouTube

2 Dukakis riding in a tank.

Michael Dukakis The Tank Ad 1988 ElectionWallDotOrg - YouTube


Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis a question about the Death penaly in the second debate. The answer Dukakis gave did not help his case.

Dukakis-Bush debate: death penalty - YouTube
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I still do not understand why Dukakis's death penalty response hurt him.
 
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Gramps said:
Polls are a snapshot of the race at the time taken.
Events can happen that can cause the poll numbers to change.

Bush ran a smart campaign that defined Dukakis with a couple of ads that destroyed him

1.The Willie Horton ad.

Willie Horton 1988 Attack Ad - YouTube

2 Dukakis riding in a tank.

Michael Dukakis The Tank Ad 1988 ElectionWallDotOrg - YouTube


Bernard Shaw asked Dukakis a question about the Death penaly in the second debate. The answer Dukakis gave did not help his case.

Dukakis-Bush debate: death penalty - YouTube
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That's putting a lot of weight on a political ad.

Or could it be that Dukakis never had a lead and therefore the polls were wrong the whole time?

I don't think people put much stock into political ads. I could see how a debate could push some undecidids but not ads.
 
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#304
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therealUT said:
I still do not understand why Dukakis's death penalty response hurt him.
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TRUT, this was in 1988. The culture in America was different than it is today. Things accepted by society today were not then.

People believed strongly in the death penalty.
People could not believe Dukakis said he would still be opposed to the death penalty if his wife were raped and murdered. That turned a lot of people against him.
 
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theFallGuy said:
That's putting a lot of weight on a political ad.

Or could it be that Dukakis never had a lead and therefore the polls were wrong the whole time?

I don't think people put much stock into political ads. I could see how a debate could push some undecidids but not ads.
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Ask any of the older people how many times they saw the Willie Horton and the Dukakis in the tank ad.

You have to remember this was 24 years ago. We did not have the internet to surf. We read newspaper and watched the 6 and 11PM news.

I did not do a search to verify, however, I think it would be safe to say these two ads ran more times than any other political ads in history. If not they are near the top.

I will just about guarantee you anyone old enough to remember 1988 will rember seeing Dukakis looking like an idiot riding around in a tank and have a pic of Willie Horton forever in their brain.
 
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Gramps said:
I will just about guarantee you anyone old enough to remember 1988 will rember seeing Dukakis looking like an idiot riding around in a tank and have a pic of Willie Horton forever in their brain.
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No doubt about it. Dukakis in a helmet riding a tank still makes me laugh just thinking about it. He just looked ridiculous.
 
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#308
Obama Leads Romney 52-45 In New Reason-Rupe Poll; In Three-Way Race Obama Leads Romney 49-42, Johnson Gets 6 Percent - Hit & Run : Reason.com

A new national Reason-Rupe poll of likely voters finds President Barack Obama leading Republican Mitt Romney 48 percent to 43 percent in the presidential race. When undecided voters are asked which way they are leaning Obama’s lead over Romney grows to 52-45.

President Obama holds large advantages among women (53-37), African-Americans (92-2) and Hispanics (71-18). Fifty-two percent of likely voters view Obama favorably, while 45 view him unfavorably. In contrast, 49 percent of likely voters have an unfavorable view of Mitt Romney and 41 percent have a favorable view of him.

In a three-way presidential race, Obama drops to 49 percent among likely voters and Romney falls to 42 percent as the Libertarian Party’s Gary Johnson gets six percent of support. Johnson is already on the presidential ballot in 47 states.

The Reason-Rupe poll conducted live interviews with 1,006 adults, including 787 likely voters, via landlines (602) and cell phones (404) from September 13-17, 2012. The margin of error is plus or minus 3.8 percent, 4.3 percent for the likely voters sample. Princeton Survey Research Associates International executed the Reason-Rupe poll.
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:rock:
 
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#309
Republican poll analysis: Romney winning with middle-class families - Ed Goeas and Brian Nienaber - POLITICO.com

His comments at a private fundraiser in May were pointed to as an illustration that he could never identify with and win the support of many middle-class voters. We took a special look at middle-class voters, and middle-class families in particular, in this latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll and found that not to be the case. In fact, on every measure it is Romney who is winning the battle for the support of middle-class families.
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In our latest POLITICO-George Washington University Battleground Poll with middle-class families, which comprise about 54 percent of the total American electorate and usually split in their vote behavior between Republicans and Democrats, Romney holds a 14-point advantage (55 percent to 41 percent). Middle-class families are more inclined to believe the country is on the wrong track (34 percent right direction, 62 percent wrong track), are more likely to hold an unfavorable view of Obama (48 percent favorable, 51 percent unfavorable), and hold a more favorable view of Romney (51 percent favorable, 44 percent unfavorable) and Paul Ryan (46 percent favorable, 35 percent unfavorable) than the overall electorate. These middle-class families also hold a majority disapproval rating on the job Obama is doing as president (45 percent approve, 54 percent disapprove), and turn even more negative toward Obama on specific areas; the economy 56 percent disapprove; spending 61 percent disapprove; taxes, 53 percent disapprove; Medicare 48 percent disapprove; and even foreign policy 50 percent disapprove.
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#311
The Politico poll is ok to use TODAY.

it only has Romney down by 3 %... 50-47.

If and when Obama get up by 5% it will be a flawed poll.
 
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#314
Here is another brilliant thought by Romney.

Romney mocked for comment about jet windows - latimes.com


“When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no —*and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous....” he said.
 
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#318
Romney: Obama 'Did Not' Raise Taxes - ABC News



"""Mitt Romney strayed from his own campaign's talking points during a "reset" rally with running mate Paul Ryan today in Ohio.
In the midst of remarks otherwise ridiculing the president's tax record, Romney said: "I admit this, [President Obama] has one thing he did not do in his first four years - he's said he's going to do in the next four years, which is to raise taxes."
Behind him, Ryan appeared to wince at the mention.""""


Gaffe after Gaffe .


I think I have figured out the Romney campaign plan.

Mitt has a reputation to turn things around for failing businesses .

It appears he is doing everything possible to destroy his campaign until the debates then he is going to start doing his magic and show how he can turn a terrible failing campaign in 33 days.

That or he is no doubt the worse presidential.candidate in modern history.

I think it is the latter.
 
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Gramps said:
Here is another brilliant thought by Romney.

Romney mocked for comment about jet windows - latimes.com


“When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no —*and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous....” he said.
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humor is lost on some people
 
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#322
MG1968 said:
well, if you're dumb enough to believe that Mitt was serious, then the joke is on you
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Sure it was a joke and the Russian PM got in on the action.

After Mitt Romney joked that "the windows don't open" on Ann Romney's plane, which filled with smoke last Friday, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Rogozin offered to send her a replacement: the AN-2, an old Soviet biplane which had a notoriously dubious safety record.

"No problem! We'll send our AN-2 to Romney's campaign headquarters," Rogozin wrote on Facebook last night.

"Not only do the windows not close, but the doors sometimes swing open mid-flight. On the plus side, there's fresh air to breathe, and you can take in the nature," he added.
 
#323
#323
Gramps said:
Romney: Obama 'Did Not' Raise Taxes - ABC News



"""Mitt Romney strayed from his own campaign's talking points during a "reset" rally with running mate Paul Ryan today in Ohio.
In the midst of remarks otherwise ridiculing the president's tax record, Romney said: "I admit this, [President Obama] has one thing he did not do in his first four years - he's said he's going to do in the next four years, which is to raise taxes."
Behind him, Ryan appeared to wince at the mention.""""


Gaffe after Gaffe .


I think I have figured out the Romney campaign plan.

Mitt has a reputation to turn things around for failing businesses .

It appears he is doing everything possible to destroy his campaign until the debates then he is going to start doing his magic and show how he can turn a terrible failing campaign in 33 days.

That or he is no doubt the worse presidential.candidate in modern history.

I think it is the latter.
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At this point, I believe it is intentional.

I am not sure if Romney is "in" on intentionally throwing the race but the GOP seems like they are intentionally throwing it.
 
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#324
Gramps said:
Romney: Obama 'Did Not' Raise Taxes - ABC News



"""Mitt Romney strayed from his own campaign's talking points during a "reset" rally with running mate Paul Ryan today in Ohio.
In the midst of remarks otherwise ridiculing the president's tax record, Romney said: "I admit this, [President Obama] has one thing he did not do in his first four years - he's said he's going to do in the next four years, which is to raise taxes."
Behind him, Ryan appeared to wince at the mention.""""


Gaffe after Gaffe .


I think I have figured out the Romney campaign plan.

Mitt has a reputation to turn things around for failing businesses .

It appears he is doing everything possible to destroy his campaign until the debates then he is going to start doing his magic and show how he can turn a terrible failing campaign in 33 days.

That or he is no doubt the worse presidential.candidate in modern history.

I think it is the latter.
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Romney did not turn around failing businesses, but bought them on the cheap. He then milked them for every ounce of profit. This could mean claiming bankruptcy albeit not under Bain Capital's name. This allowed Romney to screw people out of retirement plans. Bain would buy these companies with no intent of turning them around, but squeezing profit out of them until they were worthless. Bain could then use legal loopholes to ditch these toxic acquisitions without taking any of the hazard. It is a beautiful system the US government has orchestrated in which it is easier for a fortune 500 company to declare bankruptcy (and be back in business in a few months), than it is for an individual to do the same. So glad that the Supreme Court made corporations people.
 
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#325
cmelton7 said:
Romney did not turn around failing businesses, but bought them on the cheap. He then milked them for every ounce of profit. This could mean claiming bankruptcy albeit not under Bain Capital's name. This allowed Romney to screw people out of retirement plans. Bain would buy these companies with no intent of turning them around, but squeezing profit out of them until they were worthless. Bain could then use legal loopholes to ditch these toxic acquisitions without taking any of the hazard. It is a beautiful system the US government has orchestrated in which it is easier for a fortune 500 company to declare bankruptcy (and be back in business in a few months), than it is for an individual to do the same. So glad that the Supreme Court made corporations people.
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I'm not a Romney supporter but you can't honestly think Bain Capital was as evil as you say.

When you say they bought companies on the cheap, why do you think that was? They were struggling perhaps? On their way to bankruptcy? If a company was on its way to bankruptcy, wouldn't the employees loose their jobs and pensions as well? If an outside company bought the struggling company in which you worked for, and agreed to help keep you employed if you offered to give up some (or all) pension benefits, would that be a fair deal? I mean you always have the option to switch companies...
 
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