Romney what are you doing???

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Weezy said:
Actually, there's only two parties in some states. The GOP and Dems will keep you in court until you have no funds.

Gary Johnson wins one battle and loses another in the fight for ballot access - Tampa Bay Libertarian | Examiner.com
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The more support (votes) he gets from the states in which he is on the ballot, the more likely one (or both) of the following two scenarios play out:
1) repubs realize that their strategy is seriously flawed, and they will not hold back the best candidates (Paul, Cain, etc.) for the one whose turn it is.
2) the American voters will realize that with a surprisingly high percentage of the vote (though, not nearly enough to win) in this election, third party candidates will be taken more seriously in four years, and have a better chance to compete.

Either way, I'm tired of rich, out-of-touch, spineless puppets running our country (POTUS and congress/senate), and nothing will change for the better if the voters continue to elect the same idiots.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
His presser was a joke. He dodged all 3 questions and left the podium as fast as he could. He just keeps putting his foot in his mouth. It's funny the last republican president we had sounded like a complete idiot everytime he spoke with his failed analogies and "stategerie". This guy is constantly having to defend or clarify something stupid he said. The GOP should look at pushing a Mime in 2016.
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Not a fair assessment of the GOP. There are several members of the GOP that would make a very good president. Romney just happens to not be one of them, imo.

If you recall during the early primaries Romney was the second or third choice of the voters. Several of the candiates rose to the top of the polls and Romney would outspend them 10-1 and completly destroy them. He bought the nomination.

He has a long history of saying whatever he thinks the crowd he is talking to at the time wants to hear. This comment at the fundraiser is a prime example of that.

This was the year for the GOP and Romney appears to be handing Obama the election. There is time to turn things around but he is going to have to keep foot out of mouth.

I think Chris Christie would be up 5-7 points on Obama. I do not like Newt, but I think he would be up on Obama 3-5%.
Romney is a terrible candidate.
 
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I don't have an issue with what he said and it's about time someone in govt called those people out. Of course it's stupid for a guy trying to get elected to say it at this point but it does need to be said. Govt should never be a lifestyle (for anyone)

not many receiving govt checks were going to vote for him anyway with Obama promising them raises and extensions
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Seriously? Dem party isn't the government dole lot? GTFO.

Further, his lament wasn't whipping up voting masses. It was behind closed doors.
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All candidates say things behind closed doors they should not be saying. With the technology today, one has to be extremely careful. Romney got caught.

The doubling down on his press conference was not behind close doors. He would be in better shape this morning if he had not held the presser last night.

He either has a staff giving him bad advise or he is not listening and doing what he wants to.
 
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The man is speaking the truth. The DNC is running on an economic platform which primarily consists of raising the taxes of the upper and upper-middle classes. Seeing as more than half of working Americans do not pay any taxes, yet still enjoy services (which will now include subsidized healthcare), his statement that most are living off the government is entirely correct and his assertion that the DNC is pushing to get more to live off the government (or at least to get those who currently live off the government to live even more off the government) is spot on; and, yes, this includes dying grandmas who either did not save enough money or did not produce enough progeny who both care and can support them. Not my problem that someone else's grandma will die if the government pulls the benefits.
 
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I think the larger thing to take away from this is that the GOP truly does have an us-versus-them mentality. They view the lower class as leeches. They pay lip service to raising all boats. But it is insincere.

I think that is ultimately why Romney is trailing in the polls so much right now. In this economy, you need to appear to be empathetic to the middle class. You need to reassure them that the government programs they have been paying into for all these years will be there for them, as planned, especially because people have not really saved well independently for retirement and pension plans, if applicable, look increasingly iffy.

I get what Romney means here. But it comes across as he is all about cutting off the lower and middle classes so the wealthy can be even wealthier. Not good. He'll take some serious hits over this in the ads.

BTW, the 46 (or 47) % figure is simply dead wrong. Most people pay taxes via a payroll tax. You know, because they work for a living. The percentage of households literally paying nothing in is much smaller, on the order of 18 %. So let's please get our facts straight.
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't have an issue with what he said and it's about time someone in govt called those people out. Of course it's stupid for a guy trying to get elected to say it at this point but it does need to be said. Govt should never be a lifestyle (for anyone)

not many receiving govt checks were going to vote for him anyway with Obama promising them raises and extensions
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I disagree with the bolded.

In the link provided in the OP it states that 44% of those who do not pay income tax are seniors. Romney cannot win the election without a big chuck of the senior vote.

Another 30% of those are working families that due to the child tax credits do not pay income tax or the working poor. Part of those people will vote GOP especially the families with a couple of kids that do work but qualify for deductions.

To say 47% of America is on the Government teet is absurb.
 
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lawgator1 said:
BTW, the 46 (or 47) % figure is simply dead wrong. Most people pay taxes via a payroll tax. You know, because they work for a living. The percentage of households literally paying nothing in is much smaller, on the order of 18 %. So let's please get our facts straight.
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:lol: feel free to edit your post if you want but this quote will remain
 
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This is once again the liberal media spinning, and omitting part of Romney’s comments to push Obama’s faux class warfare agenda. This comment was made in reference to campaign strategy, not presidential strategy. If the media would, as Romney has request, release the rest of the audio the populous would be more informed on his comments. However that would make their augment against Romney invalid in this situation.

It is a campaign strategy that each one of you would employ as well if you were running for an office and knew there was a certain percentage of the voting base that would never vote for you. You are lying or have no business sense if you say otherwise.
 
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coors40light said:
This is once again the liberal media spinning, and omitting part of Romney’s comments to push Obama’s faux class warfare agenda. This comment was made in reference to campaign strategy, not presidential strategy. If the media would, as Romney has request, release the rest of the audio the populous would be more informed on his comments. However that would make their augment against Romney invalid.

It is a campaign strategy that each one of you would employ as well if you were running for an office and knew there was a certain percentage of the voting base that would never vote for you. You are lying or have no business sense if you say otherwise.
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You don't think any seniors are going to vote for Romney?
 
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What's funny, most of the 47% he was talking about are going to say "Dang right!" Can't see it hurting him, leaches don't realize they are leaches, they think they are just doing their job.
 
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hog88 said:
What's funny, most of the 47% he was talking about are going to say "Dang right!" Can't see it hurting him, leaches don't realize they are leaches, they think they are just doing their job.
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You sir are calling seniors leaches. They are figured into Romneys 47%.

My parents worked hard, they ran a business, they paid their taxes. Now that they are retired and drawing their social security, I DO NOT consider them leaches.

Maybe you consider your parents and/or grandparents leaches.... I don't.
 
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Gramps said:
You sir are calling seniors leaches. They are figured into Romneys 47%.

My parents worked hard, they ran a business, they paid their taxes. Now that they are retired and drawing their social security, I DO NOT consider them leaches.

Maybe you consider your parents and/or grandparents leaches.... I don't.
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why is it the govt's job to provide for older citizens?
 
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utvolpj said:
:lol: feel free to edit your post if you want but this quote will remain
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The non-partisan Tax Policy Center estimates that for tax year 2011, 46% of households will end up owing nothing in federal income taxes. But if payroll taxes are counted, the number of non-payer households drops precipitously - to an estimated 18% in 2011.


Source: Controversial private fund-raiser video shows candid Romney – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

You were saying......?
 
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Gramps said:
You sir are calling seniors leaches. They are figured into Romneys 47%.

My parents worked hard, they ran a business, they paid their taxes. Now that they are retired and drawing their social security, I DO NOT consider them leaches.

Maybe you consider your parents and/or grandparents leaches.... I don't.
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No sir I am not.

They would not consider themselves leaches and would be the ones agreeing with MR. Kinda my point.....

By the way where did MR single out senior citizens?
 
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Didn't the Obama camp release a presentation on the "Life of Julia?" Wasn't that a tale about how the fictional Julia's life will be from cradle-to-grave because of the government programs implemented by Obama?

It seems that Romney merely attacked a meme that Obama created.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The non-partisan Tax Policy Center estimates that for tax year 2011, 46% of households will end up owing nothing in federal income taxes. But if payroll taxes are counted, the number of non-payer households drops precipitously - to an estimated 18% in 2011.


Source: Controversial private fund-raiser video shows candid Romney – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

You were saying......?
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what I was laughing at is that you think people that don't pay income taxes pay enough to matter in payroll taxes. What are the odds of that being a net loss for the govt? Higher than 47% I would bet

but then again I'm discussing this with someone that truly believes you can lose jobs in a month and still have the UE number drop
 
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Gramps said:
You don't think any seniors are going to vote for Romney?
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The choice is theirs to make. Again, not how the comment was framed and we both know it.


"It's a message which I am going to carry and continue to carry, which is that the president's approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. Therefore I'm not likely to draw them into my campaign as effectively as those in the middle."

Social Security for seniors is a little bit different than other entitlement programs because recipients have paid into the system over their life time. Idealistically it is suppose to be an independent program with limited government intervention, but of course the government has found a way to screw it up as well.
 
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utvolpj said:
what I was laughing at is that you think people that don't pay income taxes pay enough to matter in payroll taxes. What are the odds of that being a net loss for the govt? Higher than 47% I would bet

but then again I'm discussing this with someone that truly believes you can lose jobs in a month and still have the UE number drop
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Well, I don't think that was what you are "laughing" at. I think you had assumed (incorrectly) that 47 % of households don't pay any income tax because that's the talking point that's been (falsely) put out there for quite some time by the GOP.

Its a lie that they have managed to get a lot of people to believe, so don't feel too bad about it.
 
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hog88 said:
No sir I am not.

They would not consider themselves leaches and would be the ones agreeing with MR. Kinda my point.....

By the way where did MR single out senior citizens?
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They are included in the 47% that pay no income tax.

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Some 44 percent of those who do not pay income taxes are because they benefit from tax benefits aimed at the elderly, while another 30 percent benefit from tax credits for children or for the working poor.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Just not very smart... He basically just said that 47% of America are lazy, dependent, and he doesn't care about them. Not what you want from a President. If he believes that 47% of Americans are welfare seeking victims then he is more out of touch with the common man than i thought!
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Obama has said worse things about America
 
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