Romney what are you doing???

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Vols520 said:
It's clear he was saying he isnt going to waste his time trying to sway those voters.

The unfortunate thing is this is going to be the top story all week in the media when we should be focusing on many other issues.
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Guy is running for POTUS and you think it isn't newsworthy when he is caught saying that half the population just views themselves as victims and that us rich folks (speaking in the vernacular of the context of his fundraiser) are just supporting them?

Wow, you truly are out of your mind.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I could say the same thing to the distinction you are making.

When Romney says that 47 % of households pay no taxes, he's simply lying.
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LG, Romney is correct when he says 47% do not pay INCOME TAX and income tax is what he said.In the link in the OP it stated that in 2011 46% did not pay income tax.
What he said after that is the problem. The 47% not paying income tax has been stated several times and not disputed.

47% do not consider themselves victims.

The presidents job is to worry about 100% , not just those that vote for him.

The vast majority of the 47% he is talking about do take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
They are eitrher retired, min. wage workers or young families that take advantage of the child tax credit etc.



There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax... my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives….
 
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Gramps said:
This is an entirely differnt subject that can be debated.

This thread is about Romney 47% do not pay taxes and saying none of that 47% would vote for him.
That is not a correct statemnet by Romney. 44% of the 47% Romney is referring to are seniors. Seniors make up the largest voting block, and many, many seniors do vote republican and will vote for Romney because he has the R beside his name.
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and what is wrong about including seniors? They don't pay taxes and collect money from govt programs right? Whether he needs their vote is immaterial to the discussion about money in/money out.
 
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Vols520 said:
It's clear he was saying he isnt going to waste his time trying to sway those voters.

The unfortunate thing is this is going to be the top story all week in the media when we should be focusing on many other issues.
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Then he will lose this election. IF he does not ask for everyones vote regardless of their political or economical situation he is an idiot and deserves to lose.
 
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Gramps said:
LG, Romney is correct when he says 47% do not pay INCOME TAX and income tax is what he said.In the link in the OP it stated that in 2011 46% did not pay income tax.
What he said after that is the problem. The 47% not paying income tax has been stated several times and not disputed.

47% do not consider themselves victims.

The presidents job is to worry about 100% , not just those that vote for him.

The vast majority of the 47% he is talking about do take personal responsibility and care for their lives.
They are eitrher retired, min. wage workers or young families that take advantage of the child tax credit etc.



There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax... my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives….
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Ok, fair enough. If he said they don't pay income tax I suppose you can make a case that it is technically correct. What aggravates me, I think, is the apparent twisting of that to mean that those same folks literally pay nothing into the system and just view themselves as "victims."

I think we all know who he was talking about, don't we?
 
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utvolpj said:
and what is wrong about including seniors? They don't pay taxes and collect money from govt programs right? Whether he needs their vote is immaterial to the discussion about money in/money out.
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Saying there are 47% that do not pay taxes is not a problem. That is a true statement and is not being disputed.

What he says about the 47% which does include seniors is where the problems lies.

Surely you see the below remarks by Romney to be insulting to seniors and low wage earners.
This is a dumb statemnet for anyone running for any office to say.


"And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax... my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives…".
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Vol Main said:
You're kidding, right?
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"Render to Ceasar what is Ceaser's," I'm paraphrasing, but Jesus did not mention that it was our responsibility to give to the government so that they could take care of those less fortunate. That is up to us as individuals to give our own time and money to those causes directly.
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP has only itself to blame.
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Exactly, its time for the GOP to reform their party. If they lose this election, they won't have a choice but to do something different. Maybe it will go back to doing what is good for the American people. Its a damn shame
 
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VOLS INC. said:
His presser was a joke. He dodged all 3 questions and left the podium as fast as he could. He just keeps putting his foot in his mouth. It's funny the last republican president we had sounded like a complete idiot everytime he spoke with his failed analogies and "stategerie". This guy is constantly having to defend or clarify something stupid he said. The GOP should look at pushing a Mime in 2016.
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The only joke here is that no Republican candidate has the stones to actually stand up for himself. What were his actual comments? That 47% of Americans want a free ride? Your grandmother sounds like one who desperately needs it. But does anyone deny that there are millions out there scamming the system? Maybe Romney's percentage is off, but the premise of his statement isn't inaccurate. He needs to grow a pair and defend himself. Fire back at the media. Instead you get this doublespeak.

And bamawriter is right. The other night, while Taliban are blowing up jets and more embassies are being attacked, CNN is running an interview with Obama with such hard hitting questions as "People think you're the epitome of cool. Is that true?" That's ****ing pathetic.
 
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I love how liberals are all of the sudden theology scholars when it comes to telling us how Jesus would've been liberal. shuddup already about the Christianity angle. it's just f'ng stupid to even bring it up when talking about gov't handouts.
 
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theFallGuy said:
I love how liberals are all of the sudden theology scholars when it comes to telling us how Jesus would've been liberal. shuddup already about the Christianity angle. it's just f'ng stupid to even bring it up when talking about gov't handouts.
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I don't derive my sense that the wealthy need to pay more in taxes based on religion. I come to that conclusion based on an amalgamation of philosophical points of view, including social contract and utilitarian bases.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't derive my sense that the wealthy need to pay more in taxes based on religion. I come to that conclusion based on an amalgamation of philosophical points of view, including social contract and utilitarian bases.
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Don't remember signing this??
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't derive my sense that the wealthy need to pay more in taxes based on religion. I come to that conclusion based on an amalgamation of philosophical points of view, including social contract and utilitarian bases.
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I laughed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Guy is running for POTUS and you think it isn't newsworthy when he is caught saying that half the population just views themselves as victims and that us rich folks (speaking in the vernacular of the context of his fundraiser) are just supporting them?

Wow, you truly are out of your mind.
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I'm not out of my mind. There is a lot of truth to what he said.

A lot of people in the country want success, but don't want to work to attain success. You can dispute the numbers I suppose, but his message is pretty accurate from a mindset perspective.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't derive my sense that the wealthy need to pay more in taxes based on religion. I come to that conclusion based on an amalgamation of philosophical points of view, including social contract and utilitarian bases.
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The social contract is not much of a philosophical viewpoint; this is why Rawls spent so much time redefining "justice" and presenting his "veil of ignorance" view, because the social contract is incoherent (even to contemporary philosophers who very much want to hold on to the social contract).
 
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lawgator1 said:
GOP has only itself to blame.
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seriously? A government as solution provider mentality like that of Obama can win and only the R party is to blame? Please. It has taken decades of enablers and generations of burgeoning freeloader classes to make Obama a reality.
 
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Gramps said:
Then he will lose this election. IF he does not ask for everyones vote regardless of their political or economical situation he is an idiot and deserves to lose.
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It was a private fundraiser to the uber wealthy. Of course his message is going to be different. You speak to your audience.
 
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