Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest POTUS in history.

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He stood America back on it's feet.
He restored an economy decimated by that goofy peanut farmer.
He restored our military might.
He won the Cold War without firing a single shot. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Perhaps his greatest achievement? He bankrupted the Soviet Union on a stone cold bluff. Star Wars NEVER even existed. The USSR literally bankrupted trying to keep up. If there was ever a greater ploy in history, name it!

This nation desperately needs another Ronald Reagan right now.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
He stood America back on it's feet.
He restored an economy decimated by that goofy peanut farmer.
He restored our military might.
He won the Cold War without firing a single shot. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Perhaps his greatest achievement? He bankrupted the Soviet Union on a stone cold bluff. Star Wars NEVER even existed. The USSR literally bankrupted trying to keep up. If there was ever a greater ploy in history, name it!

This nation desperately needs another Ronald Reagan right now.
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GWB bankrupting America on a neverending war against no one in particular?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
surely your economic analysis isn't that weak.
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You don't believe Bush's War is having a negative effect on our national economy? I'm all for a strong military and that costs money but that war is costing us much more than the military expense.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You don't believe Bush's War is having a negative effect on our national economy? I'm all for a strong military and that costs money but that war is costing us much more than the military expense.
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It clearly has an economic impact, but nowhere near the impact that the politician imply.

The companies manufacturing for the war add tremendously to the GDP, as does the government spending. The base assumption that we wouldn't otherwise be spending those dollars or that said spending would be 0 is silly as well.

The war has clearly been expensive, but isn't driving the financial morass you're seeing today.

Lax underwriting standards at Fannie / Freddie is almost singularly to blame.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You don't believe Bush's War is having a negative effect on our national economy? I'm all for a strong military and that costs money but that war is costing us much more than the military expense.
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Yes but the original post was talking about a great ploy. You named the current conflict with Iraq? You really think that was a great ploy? Really?

I think you need to go back and read the original post again.
 
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SavageOrangeJug said:
He stood America back on it's feet.
He restored an economy decimated by that goofy peanut farmer.
He restored our military might.
He won the Cold War without firing a single shot. "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Perhaps his greatest achievement? He bankrupted the Soviet Union on a stone cold bluff. Star Wars NEVER even existed. The USSR literally bankrupted trying to keep up. If there was ever a greater ploy in history, name it!

This nation desperately needs another Ronald Reagan right now.
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Not exactly. Reagen spent, spent and then spent some more. There was also too much deregulation going on during his administration as well. Remember the S&L crisis????? Reagen wasn't the most fiscally responsible president we've ever had, in fact, it could be said he was fiscally irresponsible. While he was a very good president in many ways, he was also awful in others.

A Reagen type presidency wouldn't be good for the US right now. We need fiscal responsiblity, not a morale boost.
 
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we are fighting no one in paticular is ridiculous. everyone with half a brain knows that we are fighting the terrorists who are in Iraq. They might have not been in there before, but they are now. I'm sure you would like to see us withdraw from there, but the fact of the matter is, since we've gone over to fight, how many attacks have we had here? seems to me what we are doing is working, but then again just my opinion, and i'm not as smart as u
 
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KB5252 said:
Yes but the original post was talking about a great ploy. You named the current conflict with Iraq? You really think that was a great ploy? Really?

I think you need to go back and read the original post again.
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I do believe Bush's War was/is a great ploy. Of course only time will bear the truth, but I've seen enough already to form my opinion.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It clearly has an economic impact, but nowhere near the impact that the politician imply.

The companies manufacturing for the war add tremendously to the GDP, as does the government spending. The base assumption that we wouldn't otherwise be spending those dollars or that said spending would be 0 is silly as well.

The war has clearly been expensive, but isn't driving the financial morass you're seeing today.

Lax underwriting standards at Fannie / Freddie is almost singularly to blame.
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Throughout history wars have been used to jumpstart poor economies. But this war in particular is on the losing side of the financial cost/benefit analysis.

This war may not be the ultimate driver to the impending financial collapse, but it's not helping in the area of our position as a leader in the global community.

Travelling around the world over the last 10 years, I have gone from being a popular American, to getting cusses out on subways. We're not in a popularity contest, but that has a huge bearing on our financial well-being whether we like it or not.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
we are fighting no one in paticular is ridiculous. everyone with half a brain knows that we are fighting the terrorists who are in Iraq. They might have not been in there before, but they are now. I'm sure you would like to see us withdraw from there, but the fact of the matter is, since we've gone over to fight, how many attacks have we had here? seems to me what we are doing is working, but then again just my opinion, and i'm not as smart as u
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Just for clarification, as I think you may have mixed up thoughts here. You believe we are fighting terrorists in Iraq that were not there before we went there?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
that has a huge bearing on our financial well-being whether we like it or not.
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all of the other aside, I conceded that this war has a near term cost to us. Long term and in a strategic sense, neither you or I know the answer, but I like that we have a forward operating base in Iraq.

You could argue that our nuclear sub fleet has come at a huge cost to the taxpayer of this country in a very similar fashion that you argue about Iraq. Would you argue that those subs have more strategic value to our interests than Iraq does?
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Just for clarification, as I think you may have mixed up thoughts here. You believe we are fighting terrorists in Iraq that were not there before we went there?
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I think he was allowing room for your almost certain assertion that there was no reason to go to Iraq.:p
 
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Headed For Home said:
I think he was allowing room for your almost certain assertion that there was no reason to go to Iraq.:p
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I understand there was a reason to go to Iraq. My contention is our continuing down the path when we now know it leads to nowhere.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
all of the other aside, I conceded that this war has a near term cost to us. Long term and in a strategic sense, neither you or I know the answer, but I like that we have a forward operating base in Iraq.

You could argue that our nuclear sub fleet has come at a huge cost to the taxpayer of this country in a very similar fashion that you argue about Iraq. Would you argue that those subs have more strategic value to our interests than Iraq does?
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I believe spending money on military is an investment in the American way of life. I don't see us having an operating base in Iraq anymore beneficial that having an existing one in Turkey.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I believe spending money on military is an investment in the American way of life. I don't see us having an operating base in Iraq anymore beneficial that having an existing one in Turkey.
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well, you just bought a dramatically better operating base in Iraq, a pro US gov't in the Middle East and one helluva lot of military experience. There's your strategic investment and it's a damn good one.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Just for clarification, as I think you may have mixed up thoughts here. You believe we are fighting terrorists in Iraq that were not there before we went there?
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i believe that once we went into iraq, the majority of them came to iraq. looking back we shouldn't have gone into iraq, but it did bring the terrorists there because we were there. and instead of withdrawing, we should keep up the fight, and move it to what ever "stan" paki, afghan, w/e.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
well, you just bought a dramatically better operating base in Iraq, a pro US gov't in the Middle East and one helluva lot of military experience. There's your strategic investment and it's a damn good one.
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Don't bring logic into this. We're not as popular around the world now, so that means the war was a mistake.
 
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