Ronald Reagan was one of the greatest POTUS in history.

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KB5252 said:
I can't speak for him but I get the impression he wants US troops on the ground destroying camps where these people live and train.

Sounds good but in order to accomplish the mission as he described would be to go into holy places and kill those who advocate extremists actions.
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We can't isolate ourselves from terrorist harboring regions (I refer to a region as a part of a country and not the country itself) and pretend they don't exist or call them evil in hopes they go away. We need to work in a global coalition to open known terrorist regions for invasion by diplomacy or if necessary by force.

Doing nothing is not an option any longer.
 
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As a side, everyone is due their opinion and ideas on the matters that impact our lives - that's why I love America. I don't expect to change anyone's mind or save the world. But I do appreciate the folks that can engage in civil discussion (and I guess that includes OE too). Thanks.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
We can't isolate ourselves from terrorist harboring regions (I refer to a region as a part of a country and not the country itself) and pretend they don't exist or call them evil in hopes they go away. We need to work in a global coalition to open known terrorist regions for invasion by diplomacy or if necessary by force.

Doing nothing is not an option any longer.
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In most cases the countries that have extremists operating in them are either unwilling or unable to control them. Their governments are either afraid of or are part of the fundamentalists. There is no way to carry out any meaningful operations when there is little to no intelligence being gathered on the ground. The plan as you see it would not be effective unless there was cooperation by the government, military, and intelligence assets in these respective countries. The bad thing is any government who was seen as cooperative would soon find itself a target or at the least be on thin ice with the people.

In theory the plan is good. In practice it would be a disaster.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
As a side, everyone is due their opinion and ideas on the matters that impact our lives - that's why I love America. I don't expect to change anyone's mind or save the world. But I do appreciate the folks that can engage in civil discussion (and I guess that includes OE too). Thanks.
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If I had feelings, that would hurt.

:good!:
 
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#87
Just a question for you UTIE95. Would you be willing to strike Mosques that preach radical Islam or promote terrorist acts in any way?
 
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#88
Will Munny knew how to fight terrorist...... All right, I'm coming out. Any man I see out there, I'm gonna shoot him. Any sumbitch takes a shot at me, I'm not only gonna kill him, but I'm gonna kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Dude, you're sputtering and rambling. I understand we will always have a presence in Iraq. In fact I reference you way back to 12:23 today and post 32 in this thread.

People like you have to simplify understanding world leadership into words like "popularity". You might really understand the difference one day.
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And people like you will never understand that we can't worry about world leadership, "dude". If you believe other countries (and the U.N.) have our best interest at heart, you're going from being naive to irresponsible.

I get you're not going to change your mind, but believing we need the world's approval for our safety is scary to me.
 
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volsforever27 said:
And people like you will never understand that we can't worry about world leadership, "dude". If you believe other countries (and the U.N.) have our best interest at heart, you're going from being naive to irresponsible.

I get you're not going to change your mind, but believing we need the world's approval for our safety is scary to me.
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You supporting isolating ourselves from the world is beyond scary. And saying we can't worry about world leadership is baffling.

Have you ever travelled outside of the US, especially in the last 10 years? And I'm being very serious. This answer may help me understand your position on this.
 
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KB5252 said:
Just a question for you UTIE95. Would you be willing to strike Mosques that preach radical Islam or promote terrorist acts in any way?
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That's a very tough question. There are two options off the top of my head. First, determine that it is a terrorist organization hiding in a Mosque and bomb the hell out of em. Second, if it's a Mosque with some radical members, handle them individually and systematically.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
You supporting isolating ourselves from the world is beyond scary. And saying we can't worry about world leadership is baffling.

Have you ever travelled outside of the US, especially in the last 10 years? And I'm being very serious. This answer may help me understand your position on this.
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OK, I tried to be nice about it, now you're trying to imply whether or not I've travelled outside of the U.S. makes my opinion valid or not. I have, but that's not the point, and you realize that, or perhaps I'm giving you too much credit. Hope you don't look down on me. (By the way, that was my opinion before I traveled, and it's my opinion after)

We can't go before the anti-semetic U.N. and seek or want their approval. I am not saying to forget everyone else, I'm saying we have to look out for our own self interests and not worry about what corrupt countries such as France, Russia etc.

Now I want you to answer this: Do these countries have our best interest at heart? And should we seek their approval for anything we do?
 
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volsforever27 said:
OK, I tried to be nice about it, now you're trying to imply whether or not I've travelled outside of the U.S. makes my opinion valid or not. I have, but that's not the point, and you realize that, or perhaps I'm giving you too much credit. Hope you don't look down on me. (By the way, that was my opinion before I traveled, and it's my opinion after)

We can't go before the anti-semetic U.N. and seek or want their approval. I am not saying to forget everyone else, I'm saying we have to look out for our own self interests and not worry about what corrupt countries such as France, Russia etc.

Now I want you to answer this: Do these countries have our best interest at heart? And should we seek their approval for anything we do?
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In terms of dealing with global terrorism, all members of the UN have a consistent interest. We should seek not only approval but support from our allies for anything we do combating terrorism. Ultimately, if diplomacy does not support our best interest, then we go it alone, but only as a last resort.

And I should have been more specific in my travel question. I meant travelled in order to conduct business in Europe and Asia primarily. If so, you can't deny the change in the last eight years.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
In terms of dealing with global terrorism, all members of the UN have a consistent interest. We should seek not only approval but support from our allies for anything we do combating terrorism. Ultimately, if diplomacy does not support our best interest, then we go it alone, but only as a last resort.

And I should have been more specific in my travel question. I meant travelled in order to conduct business in Europe and Asia primarily. If so, you can't deny the change in the last eight years.
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Worked well in Mogadishu..... thankfully the Pakinstani Mountain division was there to save us....

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UT IE 95 said:
In terms of dealing with global terrorism, all members of the UN have a consistent interest. We should seek not only approval but support from our allies for anything we do combating terrorism. Ultimately, if diplomacy does not support our best interest, then we go it alone, but only as a last resort.
And I should have been more specific in my travel question. I meant travelled in order to conduct business in Europe and Asia primarily. If so, you can't deny the change in the last eight years.
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You honestly believe that about the U.N.? Well, you made it abundantly clear that this is pointless with your post. With the corruption and anti semitism in the U.N., they can't and shouldn't be trusted. Hopefully our next PUSA won't hold the same view as you.

And you never answered whether they have OUR best interest at heart. They don't.

Pertaining to the part in bold, we did that.. with Iraq and Afghanistan.

EDIT: I should make it clear that when they wouldn't go along with us in Iraq, we did it anyway, as we should have. The oil for food scandal certainly made it clear why the U.N. didn't want it to happen.
 
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I can guarantee the next POTUS will not hold the same views as volsforever27. Or if he had the same views he would be best served to not tell anyone.

We should just move on and agree to disagree.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
I can guarantee the next POTUS will not hold the same views as volsforever27. Or if he had the same views he would be best served to not tell anyone.

We should just move on and agree to disagree.
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What exactly are you two arguing about?

:dunno:
 
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there is nothing about the UN that is beneficial to the US or its interests. The only reason why it's allowed to remain on US soil is so we can keep an eye on it.

And to say that ALL members of the UN have an interest in combating terrorism is to completely ignore the fact that Israel is routinely sanctioned but Hezbollah, Hamas and their state sponsors are often ignored.
 
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The success of a presidency is based largely on the right guy for the right time. Reagan was an optimist about the country, inspired confidence and pride, and had the right attitude for putting the financial nail in the USSR's coffin. In that respect, he was absolutely perfect for the time and was a great success because of it.

But I don't think he'd be a particularly good president right now. As I've said before many times, we need some smart policy wonks who know that the devil is in the details and who will get in there and figure out how to get things running again. We've had 8 years now of mostly empty rhetoric followed by large mistakes in judgment. I just don't think that a big view type of president -- which is what Reagan was and which is what we needed at the time -- would fit the current times nearly as well as either McCain or Obama.
 
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