RPI Discussion.

#927
#927
olesmokey081764 said:
2 questions,
whats the highest our rpi can get to at the end of the regular season?

and does the RPI continue to be calculated during the conference tournaments?
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Probably 43 regular season if we win out. That could obviously vary some depending on what other teams in front and behind us do, and also what our opponents do. Winning out should be somewhere between 40-45 though IMO.

Yea it continues to be calculated during the conference tournaments, that's why they're so important for bubble teams.
 
#928
#928
Just saw this tweet.

@DanielNooga: Lunardi has Tennessee as the No. 46 overall seed in his updated rankings (no full bracket yet). Jerry Palm at CBS has Vols in first 4 out.
 
#929
#929
KBVol said:
Just saw this tweet.

@DanielNooga: Lunardi has Tennessee as the No. 46 overall seed in his updated rankings (no full bracket yet). Jerry Palm at CBS has Vols in first 4 out.
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Yup, no movement in lunardi's bracket but moved up palms.

Wasn't much movement yesterday, most of the bubble teams won.
 
#931
#931
Here is an interesting race and possible bid stealer.

Mid-American Tournament

Toledo has a RPI of 37 but the conference is pretty balanced. I could see them getting upset around the championship game and getting in.
 
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#932
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Shaun1985 said:
Here is an interesting race and possible bid stealer.

Mid-American Tournament

Toledo has a RPI of 37 but the conference is pretty balanced. I could see them getting upset around the championship game and getting in.
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No, they have 0 chance of an at large, Southern Miss from c-USA would get in before they would.

There aren't many mid major bid stealers, Wichita State in the MVC could be one, but not many others. The WCC width Gonzaga and BYU is another, need one of them to win it. Other than that it's basically the major tourneys, you don't want South Carolina winning the SECT, or DePaul winning the big east for example.
 
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#934
#934
rocktopper16 said:
With a win Tomarrow night BTO we can go up 5-7 spots right?
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Probably not, and will also depend on what other teams do. Our win itself should bump us 2-3 spots, but depending on what other teams around us do, and our OOC opponents do we could move up more or less when it's all said and done.
 
#935
#935
bleedingTNorange said:
Probably not, and will also depend on what other teams do. Our win itself should bump us 2-3 spots, but depending on what other teams around us do, and our OOC opponents do we could move up more or less when it's all said and done.
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Ah, I was under the impression that away games bump us up more.
 
#937
#937
bleedingTNorange said:
They do, but auburn is pretty bad, and late in the year you get less and less movement. If we were playing auburn at home you could actually see us fall a few spots even with a win.
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Damn, alright. If we win out not counting the sec tourny than we will probably finish between 40-45 right?
 
#940
#940
I think the thing I hate the most is being in this position to begin with at this time of year.

For three seasons at this point we are at the same point. Has it been those odd type losses that have kill us. The first yr, I thought we were in. Last yr same thing. This year same place same position.

I think we are going to have to win out and at least 1 game in the SEC tourney. To secure it. If we stay as the 4th seed our first tourney game would be Arkansas. (5th Seed) This could be theoretically considered a play in game for us not for Arkansas.

Do think GA loses and we win out so we go to SECT as a 3 Seed. Who knows.
We just needed to take care of Business early without getting to this point.

My problem is that I think that this will always be CCM's modus operandi.

Tennessee up in Baseball over La Salle 4-0 bottom 3rd.
 
#942
#942
Sudden Impact said:
I think the thing I hate the most is being in this position to begin with at this time of year.

For three seasons at this point we are at the same point. Has it been those odd type losses that have kill us. The first yr, I thought we were in. Last yr same thing. This year same place same position.
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We are in better shape now than any of the previous 2 years.

I think we are going to have to win out and at least 1 game in the SEC tourney. To secure it. If we stay as the 4th seed our first tourney game would be Arkansas. (5th Seed) This could be theoretically considered a play in game for us not for Arkansas.
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How is that a play in game for us but not Arkansas? Our resume would be better, or at worst equal?

Do think GA loses and we win out so we go to SECT as a 3 Seed. Who knows.
We just needed to take care of Business early without getting to this point.

My problem is that I think that this will always be CCM's modus operandi.

Tennessee up in Baseball over La Salle 4-0 bottom 3rd.
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GBO
 
#943
#943
bleedingTNorange said:
We are in better shape now than any of the previous 2 years.



How is that a play in game for us but not Arkansas? Our resume would be better, or at worst equal?



GBO
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I just think at this time Arkansas is more on solid ground than we are when it comes to the selection committee. Everywhere I've looked their RPI is better.

Tennessee wins the game both of us go. Arkansas wins and I think when the selection committee looks at it closely, neutral site and gives them a reason to cut the SEC bid to 3 and Tennessee is the one cut and goes shopping for a team elsewhere.

A win over us gives them 5 quality wins over top 50 teams and us only 3. Plus 3 bad loses vs their 2. Unless MO gets back into the top 50 which they can't do if they have to beat us to do it.

Edit: Just looked at Live rpi versus Espn RPI there is a huge difference between the two.
 
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#945
#945
Sudden Impact said:
A win over us gives them 5 quality wins over top 50 teams and us only 3. Plus 3 bad loses vs their 2. Unless MO gets back into the top 50 which they can't do if they have to beat us to do it.
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Arkansas has 4 quality wins, 3 if Minnesota loses their next game.

We have 2, 3 if Arkansas gets into the top 50 which winning out would likely do. As you said, beating Missouri very well could also give us another quality win.

Then add in RPI and SOS and they make up for the one less top 50 win if that comes to fruition.
 
#947
#947
This is a great explanation of the formula:

Basketball Formula[edit]

The current and commonly used formula for determining the RPI of a college basketball team at any given time is as follows.

RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)

where WP is Winning Percentage, OWP is Opponents' Winning Percentage and OOWP is Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage.

The WP is calculated by taking a team's wins divided by the number of games it has played (i.e. wins plus losses).

For Division 1 NCAA Men's basketball, the WP factor of the RPI was updated in 2004 to account for differences in home, away, and neutral games. A home win now counts as 0.6 win, while a road win counts as 1.4 wins. Inversely, a home loss equals 1.4 losses, while a road loss counts as 0.6 loss. A neutral game counts as 1 win or 1 loss. This change was based on statistical data that consistently showed home teams in Division I basketball winning about two-thirds of the time.[2] Note that this location adjustment applies only to the WP factor and not the OWP and OOWP factors. Only games against Division 1 teams are included for all RPI factors. As an example, if a team loses to Syracuse at home, beats them away, and then loses to Cincinnati away, their record would be 1-2. Considering the weighted aspect of the WP, their winning percentage is 1.4 / (1.4 + 1.4 + 0.6) = 0.4117

The OWP is calculated by taking the average of the WP's for each of the team's opponents with the requirement that all games against the team in question are removed from the calculation. Continuing from the example above, assume Syracuse has played one other game and lost, while Cincinnati has played two other teams and won. The team in question has played Syracuse twice and therefore must be counted twice. Thus the OWP of the team is (0/1 + 0/1 + 2/2) / 3 (number of opponents - Syracuse, Syracuse, Cincinnati). OWP = 0.3333

The OOWP is calculated by taking the average of each Opponent's OWP. Note that the team in question is part of the team's OOWP. In fact, the most re-occurring opponent of your opponents is the team in question.

Continuing the example above, a team has played Syracuse twice and Cincinnati once. Syracuse has played one other game and lost, while Cincinnati has played two other games and won. Next, for simplicity, assume none of the unnamed teams has played any other games.

The OOWP is calculated as (Syracuse's OWP + Syracuse's OWP + Cincinnati's OWP ) / 3.

Syracuse has played and beat the team in question (which, excluding the games against Syracuse, only lost to Cincinnati), lost to the team in question (excluding Syracuse, only lost to Cincinnati), and lost one other game (excluding Syracuse, this team has no WP). Syracuse's OWP is (0/1 + 0/1) / 2 = 0.0000.

Cincinnati has played the team in question (excluding Cincinnati, they went 1-1 vs. Syracuse) and won versus two other opponents each of which have no WP when games versus Cincinnati are excluded. Cincinnati's OWP is (1/2) / 1 = 0.5000.

For the team in question, the OOWP is thus (0.0000 + 0.0000 + 0.5000) / 3 = 0.1667

For the team in question, the RPI can now be calculated:

RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)

Plugging in numbers from the above example gives you

RPI = (0.4117 * 0.25) + (0.3333 * 0.50) + (0.1667 * 0.25) = 0.3113

Extended example[edit]

Assume the following game results:


Home

Score

Away

Score

UConn 64 Kansas 57
UConn 82 Duke 68
Minnesota 71 UConn 72
Kansas 69 UConn 62
Duke 81 Minnesota 70
Minnesota 52 Kansas 62

Here is the calculation of the WPs, OWPs, and OOWPs for each team:

WP
UConn: (0.6 + 0.6 + 1.4 + 0) / (0.6 + 0.6 + 1.4 + 1.4) = 0.6500Kansas: (0 + 0.6 + 1.4) / (1.4 + 0.6 + 1.4) = 0.5882Duke: (0 + 0.6) / (1.4 + 0.6) = 0.3000Minnesota: (0 + 0 + 0) / (0.6 + 1.4 + 0.6) = 0.0000
OWP
UConn: ((Kansas 1.0) + (Kansas 1.0) + (Duke 1.0) + (Minnesota 0)) / (4 games) = 0.7500Kansas: ((UConn 1.0) + (UConn 1.0) + (Minnesota 0.0)) / (3 games) = 0.6667Duke: ((UConn 0.6667) + (Minnesota 0.0)) / (2 games) = 0.3333Minnesota: ((UConn 0.6667) + (Duke 0.0) + (Kansas 0.5)) / (3 games) = 0.3889
OOWP
UConn: ((Kansas 0.6667) + (Kansas 0.6667) + (Duke 0.3333) + (Minnesota 0.3889)) / (4 games) = 0.5139Kansas: ((UConn 0.7500) + (UConn 0.7500) + (Minnesota 0.3889)) / (3 games) = 0.6296Duke: ((UConn 0.7500) + (Minnesota 0.3889)) / (2 games) = 0.5694Minnesota: ((UConn 0.7500) + (Duke 0.3333) + (Kansas 0.6667)) / (3 games) = 0.5833
These are then combined via the formula
RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)
resulting in the following ratings:
UConn: 0.6660Kansas: 0.6378Duke: 0.3840Minnesota: 0.3403
 
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