RPI guys, What are we now?

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1985Vols said:
It just bothers me that teams with losing conference records (Northwestern) are getting all this "Bubble" love and we are 10-6 in the SEC and may finish in 2nd place, played KY twice, beat FL twice and played Vandy twice, also beat UConn. I know the AP, Oakland and Charleston games hurt us , however, if they put us in the toruney, I can assure you no team will want to play us (outside of maybe KY)
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Bothers me too.
Don't think they can overlook us if we get to the Ch. game though.
 
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1985Vols said:
It just bothers me that teams with losing conference records (Northwestern) are getting all this "Bubble" love and we are 10-6 in the SEC and may finish in 2nd place, played KY twice, beat FL twice and played Vandy twice, also beat UConn. I know the AP, Oakland and Charleston games hurt us , however, if they put us in the toruney, I can assure you no team will want to play us (outside of maybe KY)
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The only problem with that is the Big10, Big East and Big12 is all better conferences than the SEC.
 
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calban said:
Bothers me too.
Don't think they can overlook us if we get to the Ch. game though.
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IF we win 1 in SEC Tourney, still think we should get strong consideration. If we win 2 and get to finals, we should get in for sure.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
The only problem with that is the Big10, Big East and Big12 is all better conferences than the SEC.
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Probably so, however, if you have a losing record in your conference, I do not think you should be picked over the 2nd place team in the SEC. JMO
 
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The bottom line is UT is where UT is. They must keep winning. It doesn't matter who they play they just have to win. If it is not enough, it is not enough. If it is, it is.

Worrying about it isn't going to change anything.
 
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1985Vols said:
IF we win 1 in SEC Tourney, still think we should get strong consideration. If we win 2 and get to finals, we should get in for sure.
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I think so too.
And, as it turns out, if KY wins tomorrow, we face the 2 SEC teams that are ahead of us in RPI.
There are 6 but we play Ole Miss and Miss St and if we beat them, they are close enough that we'll pass them up.
And yes for the hair splitters, we're not competing against them, we're competing with 36 other teams.

Interesting that we'd face the 2 teams that are in the way of being the 5th best SEC team.
We control our fate.
 
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calban said:
Yes. It's really out dated and the committee is catching a lot of flak for not endorsing more tools.
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How is it outdated? It does what it is designed for. Plus the committee doesn't use the RPI exclusively or every year the top 35-37 RPI teams after the auto bids would get in. RPI is an admin tool and always has been, but it's really the only concrete thing that people can argue about so it's what people focus on. If you use Kenpom, or any other poll really, people would just argue about it too.
 
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zansdad said:
How is it outdated? It does what it is designed for. Plus the committee doesn't use the RPI exclusively or every year the top 35-37 RPI teams after the auto bids would get in. RPI is an admin tool and always has been, but it's really the only concrete thing that people can argue about so it's what people focus on. If you use Kenpom, or any other poll really, people would just argue about it too.
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I believe they use overall record, conf. record, RPI, and strength of schedule.
 
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1985Vols said:
Probably so, however, if you have a losing record in your conference, I do not think you should be picked over the 2nd place team in the SEC. JMO
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that's, though, kind of equating these to being similar to the bowls and their methods of invites/selections

...which NCAAT selections really aren't so much
 
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zansdad said:
How is it outdated? It does what it is designed for. Plus the committee doesn't use the RPI exclusively or every year the top 35-37 RPI teams after the auto bids would get in. RPI is an admin tool and always has been, but it's really the only concrete thing that people can argue about so it's what people focus on. If you use Kenpom, or any other poll really, people would just argue about it too.
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It's the consentient opinion of the media that the NCAA RPI and additional data their computers compile should be supplemented with other tools that are readily available.
Maybe CBS is just pushing their BPI system.
Other tools can be used by members of the committee but are not endorsed by the NCAA.
 
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I'd rather play Ole Miss than Auburn. Since we're trying to build an at-large case, we want the best opponents possible. If our chance to Dance were limited to winning the SECT, we'd want easier opponents.
 
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Wow who would of thunk it. This team is 2 wins away from getting into the NCAA. Great job CCM now please maintain focus!
 
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calban said:
It's the consentient opinion of the media that the NCAA RPI and additional data their computers compile should be supplemented with other tools that are readily available.
Maybe CBS is just pushing their BPI system.
Other tools can be used by members of the committee but are not endorsed by the NCAA.
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The important thing about that is that it is the media complaining. It's their job to complain and make controversy. It's what they do.
If there was one thing that was changed about the selection process that would make it better it wouldn't be using more ranking systems, in my opinion. It would be having the committee start much earlier and giving them at least 1 full day from the end of conference tourneys to produce a bracket. The 2nd thing I would change is auto bids go to regular season champs. 3rd would be to add 10 people to the committe that actually played and/or coached college basketball.

I could probably come up with a couple other things that should be addressed before getting to the RPI. The RPI is just an easy target.
 
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zansdad said:
The important thing about that is that it is the media complaining. It's their job to complain and make controversy. It's what they do.
If there was one thing that was changed about the selection process that would make it better it wouldn't be using more ranking systems, in my opinion. It would be having the committee start much earlier and giving them at least 1 full day from the end of conference tourneys to produce a bracket. The 2nd thing I would change is auto bids go to regular season champs. 3rd would be to add 10 people to the committe that actually played and/or coached college basketball.

I could probably come up with a couple other things that should be addressed before getting to the RPI. The RPI is just an easy target.
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Don't slay the messenger.

here's an article by one of our favorite guys.

NCAA's RPI line as tired as ever - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN
 
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If we can win 2 in the SEC Tourney, then we have a good shot. But I think we need to win 2, otherwise we are in the NIT.
 
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Some of whether we can make it without winning the SEC tourney will also depend on performance by other teams and conference tourneys. We need to be routing for no major upsets so that as many at large spots are available. For instance, we should all be happy that Murray St. beat Tennessee St. today.
 
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calban said:
Don't slay the messenger.

here's an article by one of our favorite guys.

NCAA's RPI line as tired as ever - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN
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And both of these guys are ESPN employees promoting the BPI. I cant take any ESPN employee seriously because they all have a company drivrn agenda

Also. All those other systems measure winning margin which the RPI does not. And the minute they start using a tool that measures scoring margin as part of a teams resume then things are going to get pretty ugly. And ironically invalidate the data itself. To make an analogy, a placebo only works if you don't tell the patient. The minute he knows it's a placebo the effect is lost. Same thing with scoring margins ( one of the more tauted of the "strengths" of non-RPI). Once they start to matter, coaches will try to manipulate them, thus invalidating the value, but leaving us with some unfortunate smaller school teams getting 100+ point beat downs in an attempt to pad resumes
 
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ukvols said:
I'd rather play Ole Miss than Auburn. Since we're trying to build an at-large case, we want the best opponents possible. If our chance to Dance were limited to winning the SECT, we'd want easier opponents.
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Miss st is a much better opportunity
 
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zansdad said:
And both of these guys are ESPN employees promoting the BPI. I cant take any ESPN employee seriously because they all have a company drivrn agenda

Also. All those other systems measure winning margin which the RPI does not. And the minute they start using a tool that measures scoring margin as part of a teams resume then things are going to get pretty ugly. And ironically invalidate the data itself. To make an analogy, a placebo only works if you don't tell the patient. The minute he knows it's a placebo the effect is lost. Same thing with scoring margins ( one of the more tauted of the "strengths" of non-RPI). Once they start to matter, coaches will try to manipulate them, thus invalidating the value, but leaving us with some unfortunate smaller school teams getting 100+ point beat downs in an attempt to pad resumes
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I think scoring margin was mentioned at the bottom in comments and how to get around it. They are touting their BPI system, but there are a lot of other articles out there on the subject that don't.

I've always thought the system was flawed because of all the low mid majors that rise to the top because they beat a lot of nobodies. We're penalized because we play 10 ranked teams every year. Somethings wrong with it.
I mean take a look at some of the teams that are ahead of us and better teams behind us.
 
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