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How is everyone figuring out these RPI numbers? I know that winning an AWAY game is better for us, but during tourney time, how much of a difference is there? Since it will be on a neutral court.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I think the team you play is almost as important as where you play. The good news for UT is that every team UT plays from here on out will have a better RPI ranking than UT except for South Carolina. RealTimeRPI.com Real Time Sport Rankings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet is a good source.

I still don't see how our schedule is ranked where it is. I would think it would be higher.
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If your talking out of conference schedule it's because UT has played 3 teams that have less than 5 wins on the season. Hard to overcome that.
 
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Since I have seen it many times I thought it worth mentioning; playing teams with higher RPIs doesn't neccisarrily help a team's RPI. Playing teams with high winning percentages helps a team's RPI. And while those two things often go hand in hand there are times when teams with RPIs in the 40s and 50s are barely over .500. Playing teams with higher RPIs is good for the nitty gritty report the selection committee uses.
 
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Dougie_D said:
How is everyone figuring out these RPI numbers? I know that winning an AWAY game is better for us, but during tourney time, how much of a difference is there? Since it will be on a neutral court.
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RPI=0.25(teams winning percentage)+.75(strength of schedule)

The away/home/neutral comes into play in computing the winning percentage. Home game wins count as 0.6, away games count as 1.4, and neutral site games 1.0.

So if your team is not a good road team it really hurts.
 
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I don't bother looking at the RPI because I really think if we win, were in. I don't care what Mr. SEC says or any of these other dudes. Truth is, Tennessee will be one of the four best teams in this conference when its all said and done. It's not just UT that has road problems, everyone does. Going 4-0 on the road to end the season is going to put us up there with one of the best road records in the conference and we have a shot to finish as high as 2nd in the conference. Win and were in
 
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Boca Vol said:
I think the team you play is almost as important as where you play. The good news for UT is that every team UT plays from here on out will have a better RPI ranking than UT except for South Carolina. RealTimeRPI.com Real Time Sport Rankings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet is a good source.

I still don't see how our schedule is ranked where it is. I would think it would be higher.
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Our SOS was 39 last time I looked.
Won't get a whole lot higher because we played 6 150+ RPI teams one of which we lost to.
 
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Yeah, our SOS is solid. It will probably go down to the mid 30s by the end of the season and that won't help the RPI numbers. Wins/Losses is now what it's all about.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I don't bother looking at the RPI because I really think if we win, were in. I don't care what Mr. SEC says or any of these other dudes. Truth is, Tennessee will be one of the four best teams in this conference when its all said and done. It's not just UT that has road problems, everyone does. Going 4-0 on the road to end the season is going to put us up there with one of the best road records in the conference and we have a shot to finish as high as 2nd in the conference. Win and were in
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Great post! Very true, committee can't hold road problems against us if jut about everyone else in the sec is having the same issues. I still feel they take atleast 6 from the sec as long as there aren't too many schools getting auto bids that wouldn't have made it otherwise.

As you said if we win and finish 2 through 4 in conference standings I see it being very hard for committee to pass on us as long as we don't flop in new Orleans.
 
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zansdad said:
Since I have seen it many times I thought it worth mentioning; playing teams with higher RPIs doesn't neccisarrily help a team's RPI. Playing teams with high winning percentages helps a team's RPI. And while those two things often go hand in hand there are times when teams with RPIs in the 40s and 50s are barely over .500. Playing teams with higher RPIs is good for the nitty gritty report the selection committee uses.
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Link?

Playing teams with higher RPIs is good for the nitty gritty report the selection committee uses.

Wtf does that mean?
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I don't bother looking at the RPI because I really think if we win, were in. I don't care what Mr. SEC says or any of these other dudes. Truth is, Tennessee will be one of the four best teams in this conference when its all said and done. It's not just UT that has road problems, everyone does. Going 4-0 on the road to end the season is going to put us up there with one of the best road records in the conference and we have a shot to finish as high as 2nd in the conference. Win and were in
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Here we have projections of RPI by final record:

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/Tennessee.html

Assuming RPI of below 45 puts us in, 45-65 puts us on the bubble, and 65+ puts us out, the formula is simple:

20 wins and we're in (that's 6-0 and two SECT wins because Chaminade doesn't count)

19 wins and we're squarely on the bubble (6-0 and one SECT win, 5-1 and two SECT wins, 4-2 and playing on Sunday)

18 wins and we're out (6-0 and first round loss, 5-1 and only one SECT win, etc)
 
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calban said:
Our SOS was 39 last time I looked.
Won't get a whole lot higher because we played 6 150+ RPI teams one of which we lost to.
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I guess I was too focused on Duke, Memphis (2), Pitt, UConn, UK, and UF. You're correct in that Charleston, Oakland, Citadel, APSU count equally on the other side.

As other guys have mentioned. Just keep winning and let the rest play out.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Great post! Very true, committee can't hold road problems against us if jut about everyone else in the sec is having the same issues. I still feel they take atleast 6 from the sec as long as there aren't too many schools getting auto bids that wouldn't have made it otherwise.

As you said if we win and finish 2 through 4 in conference standings I see it being very hard for committee to pass on us as long as we don't flop in new Orleans.
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It's been said in a lot of places that it will most likely be 5 from the SEC, i agree though, we finish 5-1 down the stretch and in the top 4...would be really hard to ignore us. (10-6 in a major conference is very quality, especially considering we played the east teams twice)

Especially because of 3 things:
1. We got hot at the right time (end of season obviously), and corrected some road woes, assuming we win at least 2 more on the road.
2. Our worst losses were at the start of the year. New coach and basically brand new rotation...easy to see it takes some getting used to.
3. Stokes addition. Right when stokes arrived, regardless of how much his play had to do with it, we started playing much better tougher basketball. We almost nipped UK at home, and since then had 1 letdown in OT at UGA which was the very next game.


I like our chances to at the very least make some noise. If we can win 5 down this stretch people will be saying "where did UT come from???" we will go from off the bubble radar, to potentially taking someone else's spot.
 
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SCvol333 said:
I think the BPI will start to be used more and more

here is a link with general info - there is also a great box that compares what the various rankings measure and what they don't - BPI -The College Basketball Power Index explained - ESPN

unfortunately we are at 84 in this - BPI - Feb. 12 College Basketball Power Index Rankings - ESPN
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Thanks, it is more complete and should use it more. I read somewhere that the NCAA doesn't want to include point spreads into the ranking system they use. Forget the reason.
 
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Wouldn't it be terrific if UF were to win out;Take care of buisness then, win at Vandy, then beat UK at home? I honestly think that could give us a ridiculous boost.

#Daydreaming...
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
It's been said in a lot of places that it will most likely be 5 from the SEC, i agree though, we finish 5-1 down the stretch and in the top 4...would be really hard to ignore us. (10-6 in a major conference is very quality, especially considering we played the east teams twice)

Especially because of 3 things:
1. We got hot at the right time (end of season obviously), and corrected some road woes, assuming we win at least 2 more on the road.
2. Our worst losses were at the start of the year. New coach and basically brand new rotation...easy to see it takes some getting used to.
3. Stokes addition. Right when stokes arrived, regardless of how much his play had to do with it, we started playing much better tougher basketball. We almost nipped UK at home, and since then had 1 letdown in OT at UGA which was the very next game.


I like our chances to at the very least make some noise. If we can win 5 down this stretch people will be saying "where did UT come from???" we will go from off the bubble radar, to potentially taking someone else's spot.
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Very good post, you nailed it!
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Wouldn't it be terrific if UF were to win out;Take care of buisness then, win at Vandy, then beat UK at home? I honestly think that could give us a ridiculous boost.

#Daydreaming...
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SEC East teams beating other SEC East teams doesn't change UT's RPI.
 
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zansdad said:
SEC East teams beating other SEC East teams doesn't change UT's RPI.
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:good!: It's your opponents record and your opponents opponents record that make up your SOS. So, if your all beating yourselves nothing changes that much. Perception may change of the Fl wins but not RPI.
 
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Volsbackto1998 said:
:good!: It's your opponents record and your opponents opponents record that make up your SOS. So, if your all beating yourselves nothing changes that much. Perception may change of the Fl wins but not RPI.
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The committee looks at w/l vs. top 25, top 50, top 100 and top 200 teams as well. I'm not sure where UF is, RPI-wise, but if they were to say, jump into the top 25 RPI, it would give UT 2 more wins vs. top 25 and help out immensely.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
The committee looks at w/l vs. top 25, top 50, top 100 and top 200 teams as well. I'm not sure where UF is, RPI-wise, but if they were to say, jump into the top 25 RPI, it would give UT 2 more wins vs. top 25 and help out immensely.
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Yes it would help UT's profile but not their RPI itself, which was all I was trying to say. The more games Florida wins from here on out, the better UT's 2 wins vs them look. But them beating Kentucky or Vandy would have zero affect on UT's actual RPI.
 
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