RPI Talk

#26
#26
MemphisCanes said:
The committee looks at w/l vs. top 25, top 50, top 100 and top 200 teams as well. I'm not sure where UF is, RPI-wise, but if they were to say, jump into the top 25 RPI, it would give UT 2 more wins vs. top 25 and help out immensely.
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Right, we should hope FL stays in the top 25 RPI. FL is currently sitting at a RPI of 20.
 
#27
#27
MemphisCanes said:
The committee looks at w/l vs. top 25, top 50, top 100 and top 200 teams as well. I'm not sure where UF is, RPI-wise, but if they were to say, jump into the top 25 RPI, it would give UT 2 more wins vs. top 25 and help out immensely.
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Follow up. On the stats given to the committee-Team Sheets and Nitty Gritty it is broken down by top 50 rpi not 25 rpi. But the higher RPI the better.
 
#28
#28
Volsbackto1998 said:
Follow up. On the stats given to the committee-Team Sheets and Nitty Gritty it is broken down by top 50 rpi not 25 rpi. But the higher RPI the better.
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The committee never really goes into detail about how they weight each factor each year, but Lunardi consistently covers teams' record vs top 25, especially for the top seeds. It may become less important as the committee starts looking at teams closer toward the bubble.
 
#29
#29
Thanks for the link volsback.

Says here Bucknell is 0-6 against the rpi-top100, and is ranked 68th. That seems like a major flaw..
 
#30
#30
therealitytheory said:
Thanks for the link volsback.

Says here Bucknell is 0-6 against the rpi-top100, and is ranked 68th. That seems like a major flaw..
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The one is not related to the other. And that is why the committee uses many criteria for selection and doesn't just rely on any individual thing. Like, oh say, conference record.
 
#31
#31
zansdad said:
The one is not related to the other. And that is why the committee uses many criteria for selection and doesn't just rely on any individual thing. Like, oh say, conference record.
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Arguably, it should be related. Six cracks at the top100 and you're 0-6....common sense says a 68 ranking is too high. The other criteria pale in comparison to that kind of futility.
 
#32
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therealitytheory said:
Arguably, it should be related. Six cracks at the top100 and you're 0-6....common sense says a 68 ranking is too high. The other criteria pale in comparison to that kind of futility.
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No real argument. RPI is mathematical function of who you played, where you played them, and if you won or lost. Sometimes the first two factors overwhelm the last. That's why it is used with the nitty gritty report. Teams with RPIs 50+ with no top 100 wins rarely get at large bids. Maybe even RPIs in the 40s.
 
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#34
#34
Actually, no, your SOS does NOT overwhelm your W/L record. If you want to know exactly how the RPI works, then read this page from Ken Pomeroy, who sums it up pretty well.

the kenpom.com blog

The Ratings Percentage Index (RPI) is the formula used by the NCAA to rate menÂ’s and womenÂ’s college basketball teams. The formula is described below.

The RPI is calculated by adding three parts.

Part I (25% of the formula): Team winning percentage. For the 2005 season, the NCAA added a bonus/penalty system, where each home win or road loss get multiplied by 0.6 in the winning percentage calculation. A home loss or road win is multiplied by 1.4. Neutral games count as 1.0. More on the effect of these changes can be found here.

Part II (50%): Average opponentsÂ’ winning percentage. To calculate this, you must calculate each opponentÂ’s winning percentage individually and average those figures. This is NOT calculated from the opponentsÂ’ combined record. Games involving the team for whom we are calculating the RPI are ignored.

Part III (25%): Average opponentsÂ’ opponentsÂ’ winning percentage: Basically taking all of the opponentsÂ’ Part II values and averaging them.
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#35
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Incipient said:
Here we have projections of RPI by final record:

http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/ct/Tennessee.html

Assuming RPI of below 45 puts us in, 45-65 puts us on the bubble, and 65+ puts us out, the formula is simple:

20 wins and we're in (that's 6-0 and two SECT wins because Chaminade doesn't count)

19 wins and we're squarely on the bubble (6-0 and one SECT win, 5-1 and two SECT wins, 4-2 and playing on Sunday)

18 wins and we're out (6-0 and first round loss, 5-1 and only one SECT win, etc)
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Thats the way I see it. GBO
 
#36
#36
GatorsGators said:
Actually, no, your SOS does NOT overwhelm your W/L record. If you want to know exactly how the RPI works, then read this page from Ken Pomeroy, who sums it up pretty well.
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Not sure if this is in response to me but I didn't say SOS can overwhelm wins and losses. Just clarifying. If you weren't talk to me then, oops and nevermind.
 
#37
#37
zansdad said:
No real argument. RPI is mathematical function of who you played, where you played them, and if you won or lost. Sometimes the first two factors overwhelm the last. That's why it is used with the nitty gritty report. Teams with RPIs 50+ with no top 100 wins rarely get at large bids. Maybe even RPIs in the 40s.
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Like this post.:hi::clapping::good!::salute::thumbsup:
 
#38
#38
zansdad said:
SEC East teams beating other SEC East teams doesn't change UT's RPI.
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After doing some reading I feel obligated to correct this post. It is more correct to say that SEC East teams beating other SEC East teams doesn't significantly change UT's RPI. The way a teams SOS is calculated is to average each opponents winning percentage not to add their records and then determine a winning percentage. Example: you have played 2 games. 1 opponent is 1-0 the other is 1-1( your game against them isn't counted btw). So there win percentage are 1.000% and .500%. So averaged your SOS would be .750%. Adding the records would give you a 2-1 record which is a .667%. So there is a difference, however it seems that the more games that are played the more these two numbers would approach each other. And within the conference since everyone will play the same number of games these numbers should be the same.

Sorry this was so long.
 
#47
#47
I am surprised we moved up so little after that win. I guess it's because it was at home. And, we probably will reach a point where the wins will yield smaller gains in ranking. It's easy to quickly pass all of the bad teams by grabbing a few victories, but if we keep winning, we'll catch up to other teams who are playing at least decent basketball.
 
#48
#48
ukvols said:
I am surprised we moved up so little after that win. I guess it's because it was at home. And, we probably will reach a point where the wins will yield smaller gains in ranking. It's easy to quickly pass all of the bad teams by grabbing a few victories, but if we keep winning, we'll catch up to other teams who are playing at least decent basketball.
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going 4-1 finishing 17-13, and going 3-1 in sec t, we're at 20-14 and our projected rpi is 43 which is a lock.

if we go 5-0 finishing 18-12 and go 2-1 with first round bye, we're at 20-13 with rpi of 45 which is a lock.

if we go 4-1 finishing 17-13, and going 2-1 in sec t, we're at 19-14 with rpi projected at 55, also considered a lock.

if we go 4-1 finishing 17-13 and going 1-1 in sec t, we're at 18-14 with rpi projected at 75, putting us out of contention most likely.
 
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#49
#49
bleedingTNorange said:
going 4-1 finishing 17-13, and going 3-1 in sec t, we're at 20-14 and our projected rpi is 43 which is a lock.

if we go 5-0 finishing 18-12 and go 2-1 with first round bye, we're at 20-13 with rpi of 45 which is a lock.

if we go 4-1 finishing 17-13, and going 2-1 in sec t, we're at 19-14 with rpi projected at 55, also considered a lock.

if we go 4-1 finishing 17-13 and going 1-1 in sec t, we're at 18-14 with rpi projected at 75, putting us out of contention most likely.
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Solid insight. :good!: But... Question:

What if we go 5-0 finish at 18-12 and go 1-1 with the first round bye?

Do we NEED to win 2 SECT games if we can win out, or will winning out allow us only needing 1 SECT win with the BYE?
 
#50
#50
Yeah, if we're in the Top 60, our finish to the season and our reputation that we've earned over the previous six seasons would get us in. I know that past seasons aren't officially part of this, but if comes down to say, us and Va Tech, and everything else is the same, then we'll likely get the nod.
 
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