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n_huffhines said:
I agree the characters were better. Players today mostly put on a fake persona in response to the modern media climate. It sucks. We want people to be real and then when they say something real we go crazy.

The game is so much more skilled now, except in the post. It's kinda hard to watch that old stuff. The defensive skill on the perimeter was so incredibly bad. Nobody watches those old games, they just watch highlights and see clips in documentaries, which distorts the view because you only see the good and exciting, and you remember it as much better than it was. I challenge anybody to watch a random regular-season game on youtube from 1988 and actually enjoy it.

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I disagree with a lot of this. The most intense NBA games I've ever seen were Games 6 & 7 of the 1988 Finals. The Lakers won both 103-102 and 108-105. There wasn't "bad defensive skill" on display anywhere. Those games were physical, fast paced and with an even mix of post and perimeter play. Isaiah Thomas shot the ball as well as anyone ever has in Game 6, despite rolling his ankle... and James Worthy dominated Game 7 despite having Salley and Rodman draped all over him. Your take is just wrong.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, nobody ever took a bad shot without passing in the 80's. BTW, Lebron makes those. It's definitely not a boring play. Maybe check out a game or two instead of just watching clips the trolls circulate. You would like Jokic. He might be the most skilled post player ever.



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Exactly!! He shoots with 8 seconds left in the quarter and now that guy knows basketball
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I disagree with a lot of this. The most intense NBA games I've ever seen were Games 6 & 7 of the 1988 Finals. The Lakers won both 103-102 and 108-105. There wasn't "bad defensive skill" on display anywhere. Those games were physical, fast paced and with an even mix of post and perimeter play. Isaiah Thomas shot the ball as well as anyone ever has in Game 6, despite rolling his ankle... and James Worthy dominated Game 7 despite having Salley and Rodman draped all over him. Your take is just wrong.
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You're judging the NBA by the two best teams, tho. The league is much bigger than that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
There were ticky-tack fouls back then. You can find highlights of Jordan's big games against the Pistons where they show fouls and FT's. He got all the calls.

One thing that has changed is the crackdown on flagrant fouls, but that's good. Flagrant fouls are not good basketball.

Another big change is no hand checking, which I think is a good rule change too. Not only does it open the game up more, but it requires better defensive skill. You have to be some combination of long, quick, strong, and having good footwork in order to keep your man from getting to the basket. Guys today would just goad you into fouls if there were hand-checking, so it'd mean more FT's and more boring BS.

Jordan was smoking tiny little dudes like John Starks, Joe Dumars, Byron Scott, and Jeff Hornacek deep in the playoffs. Dumars was a good defender for a little guy but he was still a little guy and that matters a ton. The Warriors dynasty alone had 4 very good, big wings they could have put on MJ. Most playoff teams have at least a couple.

Another big change is you can play zone D, which I think is good.
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You do have to admit that the flopping is much worse today though, right?

When I was a kid it seemed like it wasn't done much, and it seemed like only Vlade Divac had a consistent penchant for doing it. Today, there seems to be a higher number of players who consistently do it and despite the anti-flopping rules, it feels like a more-accepted part of the game than it used to be. An initial warning, followed by escalating fines, isn't really going to stop it. It still isn't anywhere near as bad as soccer, but it looks pretty bad at times.

I'd love to see automatic technicals for egregious flops, just like how I'd like to see automatic yellows for egregious flops in soccer. It's common sense - the punishment has to be severe enough to discourage the behavior.
 
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05_never_again said:
You do have to admit that the flopping is much worse today though, right?

When I was a kid it seemed like it wasn't done much, and it seemed like only Vlade Divac had a consistent penchant for doing it. Today, there seems to be a higher number of players who consistently do it and despite the anti-flopping rules, it feels like a more-accepted part of the game than it used to be. An initial warning, followed by escalating fines, isn't really going to stop it. It still isn't anywhere near as bad as soccer, but it looks pretty bad at times.

I'd love to see automatic technicals for egregious flops, just like how I'd like to see automatic yellows for egregious flops in soccer. It's common sense - the punishment has to be severe enough to discourage the behavior.
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Flopping is terrible. I hate it so much. It's usually just used to sell an actual foul, tho. I don't really have a problem with that, I just wish dudes wouldn't be so theatrical. The real bad stuff is when they get a call flopping when there was no foul, but that doesn't happen more than once or twice a game, probably.

The other one I hate is when you are trailing the other team's PG and he jumps out in front of you and stops, knowing you will run into his back and draw a foul. The league really needs to crack down on some of this ****.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I made more money in 2020 than any of the 20 years prior. It was a hell of a year.
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Saw a story on CNN the other day about how the 3rd party food delivery industry has really boomed during the pandemic... Do you drive for Grubhub, Door Dash or Uber Eats? LOL.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Flopping is terrible. I hate it so much. It's usually just used to sell an actual foul, tho. I don't really have a problem with that, I just wish dudes wouldn't be so theatrical. The real bad stuff is when they get a call flopping when there was no foul, but that doesn't happen more than once or twice a game, probably.

The other one I hate is when you are trailing the other team's PG and he jumps out in front of you and stops, knowing you will run into his back and draw a foul. The league really needs to crack down on some of this ****.
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That is what frustrates me though - the leagues in question don't take the necessary action to get rid of it. They pay lip service to it or just nibble around the edges.

For egregious flops, not talking about cases where there actually was a foul and a guy dresses it up, just call a technical. In soccer, show the flopper a yellow or, if it's an egregious flop inside the box, a straight red. Flopping inside the box is an unsportsmanlike action designed to directly effect the outcome of the game; they do it already for clumsy tackles that take away an obvious scoring opportunity that ordinarily wouldn't be a yellow or red card. That would put an near-end to it overnight (there'd still be idiots who would occasionally try, that is inevitable).
 
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05_never_again said:
That is what frustrates me though - the leagues in question don't take the necessary action to get rid of it. They pay lip service to it or just nibble around the edges.

For egregious flops, not talking about cases where there actually was a foul and a guy dresses it up, just call a technical. In soccer, show the flopper a yellow or, if it's an egregious flop inside the box, a straight red. That would put an near-end to it overnight (there'd still be idiots who would occasionally try, that is inevitable).
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Yup
 
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n_huffhines said:
Flopping is terrible. I hate it so much. It's usually just used to sell an actual foul, tho. I don't really have a problem with that, I just wish dudes wouldn't be so theatrical. The real bad stuff is when they get a call flopping when there was no foul, but that doesn't happen more than once or twice a game, probably.

The other one I hate is when you are trailing the other team's PG and he jumps out in front of you and stops, knowing you will run into his back and draw a foul. The league really needs to crack down on some of this ****.
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When hand checking was deemed illegal and you had to start using your forearm the game changed.

I think the lakers with shaq are the last team that could win in any era. I loved watching the Warriors but in the 80s and 90s they are a 4th seed team at best that gets bounced early.

The showtime lakers would have destroyed any team in the past 5 years. Sky hook is still impossible to defend but nobody can perfect it anymore. The Jordan Bulls and Pistons would also dominate.

You put Jordan in a iso game today with no ability to play real d and he averages 50 a game.

Basketball sucks now.
 
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NEO said:
When hand checking was deemed illegal and you had to start using your forearm the game changed.

I think the lakers with shaq are the last team that could win in any era. I loved watching the Warriors but in the 80s and 90s they are a 4th seed team at best that gets bounced early.

The showtime lakers would have destroyed any team in the past 5 years. Sky hook is still impossible to defend but nobody can perfect it anymore. The Jordan Bulls and Pistons would also dominate.

You put Jordan in a iso game today with no ability to play real d and he averages 50 a game.

Basketball sucks now.
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Showtime Lakers were the best NBA dynasty IMO.
 
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I don’t listen to Rush but I occasionally check his website because he is the pulse of conservatism. I disagree with Rush on most things now. I kind of think he turned his back on his paleo conservative instincts in order to embrace that pernicious strain of neoconservatism that still dominates conservatism today ( supporting the Bushes after a White House invite).
I do however tip my hat to Rush for being the biggest hammmer to the old press cabal. He was one of the first and most influential sceptics of their motives and high, phony self -reverence. His early use of the montage exposed many of these cretins as phonies that never had an original thought (see gravitas montage for an example). If there is a broadcast Mt. Rushmore, his face will be on it.
-Repost from last year.
 
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When is the last time charging was called? A player could stand still until he had cobwebs hanging off of him and get ploughed to the floor and the refs would call a defensive foul.
 
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NEO said:
I will agree your comment was restrained.

My RBG comment when she died was not nearly as restrained.

I am not gonna live in a glass house.
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RGB made laws and handed down rulings on our constitution. RL did nothing more than ruffle feathers of those that wanted their jimmies rustled. HUGE difference.
 
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I run a small business and had a stellar 2020 considering I didn't work the first 7 months of that year. Things have been booming ever since then. It's a shame that many businesses and lives were needlessly destroyed by lockdowns that didn't accomplish anything positive and didn't need to happen but ultimately my business benefitted from that.
 
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NEO said:
When hand checking was deemed illegal and you had to start using your forearm the game changed.

I think the lakers with shaq are the last team that could win in any era. I loved watching the Warriors but in the 80s and 90s they are a 4th seed team at best that gets bounced early.

The showtime lakers would have destroyed any team in the past 5 years. Sky hook is still impossible to defend but nobody can perfect it anymore. The Jordan Bulls and Pistons would also dominate.

You put Jordan in a iso game today with no ability to play real d and he averages 50 a game.

Basketball sucks now.
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Nobody would have known what to do with the 2016-18 Warriors back in the day. Shaq can get his 30-40, he's gonna get run off the court trying to go that pace and defend the high pick n roll.

Sky hook couldn't be stopped but he also wasn'y as efficient with it as KD, Klay, and Steph are shooting the ball
 
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