Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

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Pacer92 said:
Oh the drama...everything is laughable or ridiculous or conspiracy.

So you agree that Turkey shouldn't be shelling into Syria, but it's okay as long as they're shelling Kurds? Talking about laughable...Not at all what I was saying; i was pointing out that the active target was the Kurds who are also fighting Assad so its not like Turkey is actively fighting Assad on this front. and I will say again Turkey needs to stop they are just making a bad situation worse

Turkey and Russia have had a long history of working together. If you think that America doesn't influence it's fellow NATO members because of its own stance with Russia, then you're more naive than I thought. long history like hundreds of years of fighting each other when it was the Ottoman Turks? Turkey once owned Crimea, before Russia ever did. WWI the Ottoman Turks worked with the Axis, WWII pretty sure they fought in the Caucus Mtns. Not really sure if they worked together during the Cold War period but seeing as how they are NATO I doubt it. Care to rephrase your statement?

This attempted land grab by Turkey is to keep the pipeline of fighters and weapons flowing into Syria. Its been well documented that they come to and fro thru southern Turkey. its the Kurds that have been flowing in and not sure how moving the border up or down keeps them moving in? unless there is something specific within the 10 miles all it does it make the drive a little shorter

Everyone's involvement in Syria, including Russia's, is a direct result of our planning and sponsoring of an uprising in Syria, that led to this civil war years ago. There are no two ways around it...
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uh no, Assad's piss poor leadership skills lead to this civil war. again you refuse to admit there were outside factors. did we get involved, yup; did we cause it or ensure it lasted as long as it did, nope. I think it was prof who posted an article a while back in another thread maybe about how the Islamic terrorists played right into Assad's hands. because they brought the world's eye down on Syria and got the big guys involved. when before no one cares about some secularist terrorists that stayed in Syria.
 
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LouderVol said:
uh no, Assad's piss poor leadership skills lead to this civil war. again you refuse to admit there were outside factors. did we get involved, yup; did we cause it or ensure it lasted as long as it did, nope. I think it was prof who posted an article a while back in another thread maybe about how the Islamic terrorists played right into Assad's hands. because they brought the world's eye down on Syria and got the big guys involved. when before no one cares about some secularist terrorists that stayed in Syria.
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There have been riffs in the past, and Turkeys position in NATO certainly was a barrier, but for the most part, in recent history, these two have cooperated until this conflict. Erdogan and Putin both are strong personalities, which is concerning imo.

And the kurds are working with assad in fighting ISIS.
 
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Pacer92 said:
There have been riffs in the past, and Turkeys position in NATO certainly was a barrier, but for the most part, in recent history, these two have cooperated until this conflict. Erdogan and Putin both are strong personalities, which is concerning imo.

And the kurds are working with assad in fighting ISIS.
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the kurds are also working with us.

and I am really interested to see how often Russia and Turkey have actively worked together.
 
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Turks and Russians have never liked one another. There was one very brief period a few years back, in the early days of the Syrian Civil War, when Erdogan and Putin had some sort of bizarre authoritarian bromance, but I wouldn't describe it as "cooperation" or "coordination."
 
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volprof said:
Turks and Russians have never liked one another. There was one very brief period a few years back, in the early days of the Syrian Civil War, when Erdogan and Putin had some sort of bizarre authoritarian bromance, but I wouldn't describe it as "cooperation" or "coordination."
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Turks don't really get along with anyone.
 
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volprof said:
Yeah, pretty much. If I'm not mistaken, even Ataturk, avowed Westernizer, was never very keen to actual cooperation with the West, or anyone for that matter.
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That's what always cracks me up when people say Turkey is a US puppet. They obviously don't know Turks very well.
 
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Here's Russia's recent take...

Smoking Barack Obama poster appears in Russia, claims 'smoking kills more people than Obama'

"Smoking kills more people than Obama, although he kills lots and lots of people," were the words written alongside a pensive looking Mr Obama, as he drew from a cigarette.
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carlos86 said:
German diplomat: "We are not going to pay the price for a war started by the Turks"

NATO Concerned over Possible Russia-Turkey Hostilities
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At the rate Turkey is headed under Turk Putin, I think it's only a question of when, rather than if, NATO will decide to dismiss Turkey from the alliance.

It will still take quite a bit more, due to several factors. In the never-ending world-historical struggle that is great power struggle, Turkey unfortunately inhabits a very strategic geographical position. It's also unfortunately one of the strongest militaries in the alliance. Couple those factors with the unseemliness of NATO giving the boot to a long-time member, and Turkey's dismissal will not occur easily. But, as I said, at the rate Turk Putin is going, it will eventually occur.

Putin and Turk Putin are so alike, one wonders if it's just a matter of time before they fight. I'm still mostly optimistic that it can be avoided, although neither side currently seems willing to take the necessary steps needed to reduce tensions, and this is most likely because both Putin's and Erdogan's notions of masculinity and masculine leadership are incredibly delusional and misguided. The latter notion may seem fanciful, but when you consider that just about every war is reducible to male anxieties and the male sex drive, it's not as ridiculous as it may first seem.
 
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Russian Soldier takes selfie with Iranian Brigadier General Soleimani.
 

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Pacer92 said:
I'll call anyone that is a NATO member a US puppet, however, with this being said, it seems that even Erdogan is calling the US out for backing "questionable" friendlys in this war....

Erdogan accuses U.S for arming ISIS terrorists
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mhm, the click baiting is strong with this one.
It is reported by an Iranian media that Turkey’s president accused the U.S for weaponing ISIS terrorists indirectly.
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also I find it funny that our puppets don't follow even the basic tenets of NATO, or is Turkey one of two that actually spends 2%? a quick search says no they aren't. about 1.7%. puppets I tell you puppets. especially when you quote articles like the one above. the two worlds don't interact well.

In conspiracy world Turkey is just a puppet that only does what the US wants. Yet here in the real world I found an article which is very un-puppet like but it casts the US in a bad light. reminds of the times when France was "casting off the fetters" for like a whole week. glorious times those were for them who are lost between reality and RT article.
 
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LouderVol said:
mhm, the click baiting is strong with this one.

also I find it funny that our puppets don't follow even the basic tenets of NATO, or is Turkey one of two that actually spends 2%? a quick search says no they aren't. about 1.7%. puppets I tell you puppets. especially when you quote articles like the one above. the two worlds don't interact well.

In conspiracy world Turkey is just a puppet that only does what the US wants. Yet here in the real world I found an article which is very un-puppet like but it casts the US in a bad light. reminds of the times when France was "casting off the fetters" for like a whole week. glorious times those were for them who are lost between reality and RT article.
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You're becoming quite the volprof 2.0, very quick to challenge and oversensitive, trying disprove every article that doesn't worship the almighty US foreign policy...

Everything written or said opposing MSM is now stonewalled with the word conspiracy...Lol.

As I've stated before, NATO exists only for the sole purpose of pressuring Russia and it's allies. In the real world people get that. Turkey knows we have their back, regardless of how delusional their leader is, unfortunately. Turkey's goal in all of this doesn't differ from our goals, removing Assad, they're just trying to get another "piece" on the side while doing so...
 
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Pacer92 said:
You're becoming quite the volprof 2.0, very quick to challenge and oversensitive, trying disprove every article that doesn't worship the almighty US foreign policy...

Everything written or said opposing MSM is now stonewalled with the word conspiracy...Lol.

As I've stated before, NATO exists only for the sole purpose of pressuring Russia and it's allies. In the real world people get that. Turkey knows we have their back, regardless of how delusional their leader is, unfortunately. Turkey's goal in all of this doesn't differ from our goals, removing Assad, they're just trying to get another "piece" on the side while doing so...
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never disagreed with the article so much as the title. and I would be shocked if Obama had their back.

and IMO if we have their back should be dependent on the situation. as of right now I would say we let Russia roll Turkey
 
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Russia and US Agree on Steps to Stop Fighting in Syria


On Monday, the Kremlin released details of the Syrian ceasefire plan the US and Russia agreed upon. The two countries had to conduct several rounds of secret negotiations before settling all details and making them public. According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, the plan of ceasing hostilities presents a "real step that can stop the bloodshed."
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Speaking to reporters, White House spokesman Josh Earnest confirmed that the White House contacted the Kremlin on Monday.
"This is a moment of opportunity and we are hopeful that all the parties will capitalize on it," Earnest said. He cautioned, however, that "this is going to be difficult to implement."
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If the Syrian ceasefire proves as successful as the Ukrainian ceasefire in moving that country along to a normal state of affairs, then we can start thinking about finalizing a peace deal in about 40 years.
 
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volprof said:
If the Syrian ceasefire proves as successful as the Ukrainian ceasefire in moving that country along to a normal state of affairs, then we can start thinking about finalizing a peace deal in about 40 years.
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I'm not holding my breath.
 
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