Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

[Rasputin_Vol]

Assad has a huge jump on both

You mean the guy the people elected?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Putin Says "Radical" Turn Possible In Syria After "Ceasefire" Deal

From the comment section... perfectly said.

Here are some of our Foreign Policy “gems” since we started the war in Syria:


We (the US) will surgically bomb Syria


Assad’s gotta go


Russia is isolated


Syria will never get rid of its Chemical Weapons


We will enforce a no-fly zone over Syria


Russia has a single floating pier in Tartus


Russia’s military has not improved since the fall of the Berlin Wall


Russia must not sell the S-300’s to Iran


Syria will become Russia’s 2nd Afghanistan


We will squeeze/sanction Putin’s circle of friends and they will overthrow Putin


… and yet, we’ve accomplished none of them! So, why don’t we just shut the **** up, get the **** out of there, and stop ****ing-up other countries? Don’t we have our own country to un-****? ;-)


Looney

 

[LouderVol]

You mean the guy the people elected?

hahaha, elected.

Bashar al-Assad wins re-election in Syria as uprising against him rages on | World news | The Guardian

Assad's victory was always a foregone conclusion, despite the presence of other candidates on the ballot for the first time in decades. Voting was held only in government-controlled areas, excluding huge tracks of northern and eastern Syria that are in rebel hands. The opposition and its western allies, including the United States, have denounced the election as a farce.

 

[2ez2dv8]

Meaning what?

In comparison to Assad's 5 yrs of violence resulting in 250K+ civilian deaths and another 11m+ displaced

Russia's guise of military ops against terrorists

And then there's ISIS' brutal killings as they try to expand their caliphate in Syria

 

[2ez2dv8]

You mean the guy the people elected?

In govt controlled areas and under threat of harmful consequences? Yep, that one, democracy at it's finest

 

[LouderVol]

In govt controlled areas and under threat of harmful consequences? Yep, that one, democracy at it's finest

he still believes that Crimea had open and fair elections after posting pictures of armed masked men at the polls as the proof of open elections.

 

[volprof]

Hey, any of you fellas remember that time we thought we had won the Iraq War, except for, we hadn't?

 

[red butler]

hahaha, elected.

Bashar al-Assad wins re-election in Syria as uprising against him rages on | World news | The Guardian

I'm not going to argue that Syria had fair elections, but that article is reminiscent of the kind of journalism Sean King displayed against Peyton Manning. There was zero critical thinking and they ran with a quote from John Kerry that had almost no substance.

The premise that the elections weren't fair because the entire country didn't vote is laughable. I mean can anybody give just one example of a government counting the votes of a state, province, or territory that was in open military conflict with that government? Did the confederate states get to vote on the reelection of Lincoln?

 

[LouderVol]

I'm not going to argue that Syria had fair elections, but that article is reminiscent of the kind of journalism Sean King displayed against Peyton Manning. There was zero critical thinking and they ran with a quote from John Kerry that had almost no substance.

The premise that the elections weren't fair because the entire country didn't vote is laughable. I mean can anybody give just one example of a government counting the votes of a state, province, or territory that was in open military conflict with that government? Did the confederate states get to vote on the reelection of Lincoln?

to your last sentence they did not, but the US Supreme Court had also ruled that anything Lincoln (or any US government official) said/did/enacted didn't apply to the southern states. while Assad still claims sovereignty over those lands that weren't under his control.

and isn't that what happened in Libya or Egypt, regime change by election while under revolution? Also as I can't keep them straight Bosnia/Yugoslavia/Croatia didn't one of them have a UN ran election while under full blown open war? I was either a real young child or not born so I can't remember. and seeing how Russia occupied Crimea and then hosted vote and went with those results I would say there is recent precedence for it. but i guess the fighting had stopped by that point. another case I am too young to have any familiarity with and have never looked into is how the UK treated Northern Ireland when that was bad, but I would imagine their votes were counted.

and then the curious case of Dade County Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dade_County,_Georgia

not armed rebellion and not officially recognized, but both Georgia and the US government counted their votes while they weren't part of the nation.

 

[Pacer92]

In comparison to Assad's 5 yrs of violence resulting in 250K+ civilian deaths and another 11m+ displaced

Russia's guise of military ops against terrorists

And then there's ISIS' brutal killings as they try to expand their caliphate in Syria

Assad's violence? You're late to the party. Most people understand that, while Assad is no saint, most of the things he's been attacked for by western media, are downright fabrications...

Guise of Russian military ops? Hmmm....can you expand on that?

And how is Assad responsible for the last sentence?

 

[Pacer92]

In govt controlled areas and under threat of harmful consequences? Yep, that one, democracy at it's finest

Like Saudi Arabia? Is that who you're referring to?

 

[red butler]

to your last sentence they did not, but the US Supreme Court had also ruled that anything Lincoln (or any US government official) said/did/enacted didn't apply to the southern states. while Assad still claims sovereignty over those lands that weren't under his control.

and isn't that what happened in Libya or Egypt, regime change by election while under revolution? Also as I can't keep them straight Bosnia/Yugoslavia/Croatia didn't one of them have a UN ran election while under full blown open war? I was either a real young child or not born so I can't remember. and seeing how Russia occupied Crimea and then hosted vote and went with those results I would say there is recent precedence for it. but i guess the fighting had stopped by that point. another case I am too young to have any familiarity with and have never looked into is how the UK treated Northern Ireland when that was bad, but I would imagine their votes were counted.

and then the curious case of Dade County Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dade_County,_Georgia

not armed rebellion and not officially recognized, but both Georgia and the US government counted their votes while they weren't part of the nation.

Yugoslavia broke up into several countries. Each country held elections. But it's not like
Croatians voted in Serbia. Mubarak nor Qaddafi were ousted through elections. The governments were overthrown. Crimeans nor eastern Ukrainians voted in the Ukraine elections and we fully supported those results.

 

[2ez2dv8]

Assad's violence? You're late to the party. Most people understand that, while Assad is no saint, most of the things he's been attacked for by western media, are downright fabrications...

Late to the party? Fabrications? You mean those corroborated by our European allies, and regional nations of Egypt, Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia? And the gas used on his own people? The 9+ million refugees who have fled and continue to flee Syria? Fabrications as well? Are you mad?

Guise of Russian military ops? Hmmm....can you expand on that?

No need, self-explanatory

And how is Assad responsible for the last sentence?

Did I say he was responsible? No, but since you asked Assad does not see ISIS as a primary problem and rarely engages them, instead he's focused on the FSA and Nusra Front.

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I'm not either...

I feel for the average Syrian, caught in this tug of war between us and Russia...

The countless lives lost..

Just the average? What exactly is an "average" Syrian?

And you feel for those caught between the U.S. and Russia and the countless lives lost? And what of the quarter of million plus who already have perished? Let me guess, fabricated?

Are you an Assad sympathizer or oblivious or both?

 

[2ez2dv8]

Like Saudi Arabia? Is that who you're referring to?

Actually, all oppressive regimes who's citizens are under constant threat, imprisoned, killed, and/or who flee for the sake of theirs and their families lives

And you? This should be good

 

[volprof]

We can find numerous hypocrisies, lies, faults, etc. with either Russia or the US, and we can find these things with each nation's respective allies as well.

For me, it comes down to this very simple question: would you prefer Russia as a neighbor or the United States? More specifically, which would you rather have directly on your border, if you had to have one or the other? Neither is wholly inviting, and both have problems with using authority properly, but one has to be more appealing than the other. Which one?

Another question I would like to ask Europeans, if I was able, especially those among them who are anti-American: if either Russia or the US has to be a European hegemon (since there are no other viable options), would you prefer a hegemon that is 4,000 miles across an ocean, or would you prefer a hegemon that sits directly on your borders?

Of course, none of this has much to do with Syria, but since the debate currently seems to be some form of "who is better? or who has screwed up worse?" I figured I'd offer these questions for thought.

 

[red butler]

If I'm Europe, I probably prefer the US as a neighbor. As an American I simply prefer that we let others handle their own problems. Since we're on the neiborhood analogy, lately we've been like the power hungry HOA board president that pisses off the entire neighborhood.

 

[volprof]

If I'm Europe, I probably prefer the US as a neighbor. As an American I simply prefer that we let others handle their own problems. Since we're on the neiborhood analogy, lately we've been like the power hungry HOA board president that pisses off the entire neighborhood.

That's a legitimate analogy. We'll never be isolationists again, and, quite frankly, no matter how much some here and around the globe may dislike that fact, I don't think we'd want to see a world wherein the US was once again isolationist. There's no doubt, however, that we could certainly stand to be less "nosy."

 

[Pacer92]

Late to the party? Fabrications? You mean those corroborated by our European allies, and regional nations of Egypt, Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia? And the gas used on his own people? The 9+ million refugees who have fled and continue to flee Syria? Fabrications as well? Are you mad?

No need, self-explanatory


Did I say he was responsible? No, but since you asked Assad does not see ISIS as a primary problem and rarely engages them, instead he's focused on the FSA and Nusra Front.

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And this that originally I responded to



Just the average? What exactly is an "average" Syrian?

And you feel for those caught between the U.S. and Russia and the countless lives lost? And what of the quarter of million plus who already have perished? Let me guess, fabricated?

Are you an Assad sympathizer or oblivious or both?

Lol. Assad was and is still the "democratically" elected state head of Syria.

It's well documented that the US govt has supplied weapons and intelligence to these beheading bemongors called ISIS.

Russia is bombing/fighting these parasites while US allies continue their assault on Assad and the Syrian people...

These 9 million + refugees are a direct result of US regime change....spin doctors will spin...

And I'll wait on the clarification of Russian special ops that was never clarified....

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If I'm Europe, I probably prefer the US as a neighbor. As an American I simply prefer that we let others handle their own problems. Since we're on the neiborhood analogy, lately we've been like the power hungry HOA board president that pisses off the entire neighborhood.

A better analogy and one I saw up close and personal in real life, the HOA president that happens to also be a cop.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

All of this talk about Russia stealing Crimea with rigged elections.... yet no evidence of any street protests or demonstrations opposing the alleged occupation 2 years later.

 

[trevols81]

If the Syrian ceasefire proves as successful as the Ukrainian ceasefire in moving that country along to a normal state of affairs, then we can start thinking about finalizing a peace deal in about 40 years.

If not 90 years. This **** will never stop until we stop giving a damn about who controls what part of my middle east. Let them work their own problems out in that region of the world.

 

[LouderVol]

Yugoslavia broke up into several countries. Each country held elections. But it's not like
Croatians voted in Serbia. Mubarak nor Qaddafi were ousted through elections. The governments were overthrown. Crimeans nor eastern Ukrainians voted in the Ukraine elections and we fully supported those results.

for yugoslavia they still aren't clean separations at culture lines, no way it could be. so there were definitely Serbs and other voting in the other parts. As for Crimea i was talking about their vote to join Russia at gun point. not the general election, which I am pretty sure happened before Crimea separated. and pretty sure the fighting didn't break out in eastern Ukraine until after the regime change.

 

[LouderVol]

All of this talk about Russia stealing Crimea with rigged elections.... yet no evidence of any street protests or demonstrations opposing the alleged occupation 2 years later.

you mean like the Tatars and Ukrainians getting forcibly kicked out, shut down? and its still an occupied state. Russia only moved in more troops after the vote. there has been a general movement of people out of Crimea and E. Ukraine since the Russians moved in. hardly the sign of the people being happy and well treated.

 

[Pacer92]

All of this talk about Russia stealing Crimea with rigged elections.... yet no evidence of any street protests or demonstrations opposing the alleged occupation 2 years later.

And ironically, people are protesting the western backed government in Kiev..

https://www.rt.com/news/333211-kiev-protest-government-resignation/

 

[2ez2dv8]

Lol. Assad was and is still the "democratically" elected state head of Syria.

It's well documented that the US govt has supplied weapons and intelligence to these beheading bemongors called ISIS.

Russia is bombing/fighting these parasites while US allies continue their assault on Assad and the Syrian people...

These 9 million + refugees are a direct result of US regime change....spin doctors will spin...

And I'll wait on the clarification of Russian special ops that was never clarified....

And the moon is made of cheese. I not only have some land but a bridge to sell you