Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

supporting him sure hasn't helped anything. *I think we are getting frustrated with the "peace" talks.

The so-called peace talks are structured to have Assad step down. Obviously, he's going to be opposed to that. I'm still wondering how removing Assad is even remotely the solution.
 
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considering the civil war started with the people's issues with him, I would say its a pretty big topic.
 
considering the civil war started with the people's issues with him, I would say its a pretty big topic.

It wasn't the people. It was a handful of "moderate rebels" that were backed by US interests that had an issue with Assad. The only ones calling for Assad to step down are ISIS, the Free Syrian Army, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and the US. The people of Syria had already spoken when they had elections several years ago.
 
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supporting him sure hasn't helped anything. *I think we are getting frustrated with the "peace" talks.

Who's supporting him besides Russia and Iran?

Maybe if we were supporting him, instead of rebels, peace could be brokered at some point...
 
considering the civil war started with the people's issues with him, I would say its a pretty big topic.

The only people fighting to oust Assad are western funded mercenaries...Not the Syrian people...

The multiple lies that our government has conditioned Americans with about Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi, ISIS, Al Queda, etc., have been exposed to the anyone paying just halfway attention...
 
It wasn't the people. It was a handful of "moderate rebels" that were backed by US interests that had an issue with Assad. The only ones calling for Assad to step down are ISIS, the Free Syrian Army, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel and the US. The people of Syria had already spoken when they had elections several years ago.

you mean the elections during the war when we specifically changed votes to Assad when there were right ins for candidates not on the ballot. 20 something guys ran, 3 made the final ballot, the population wasn't informed who the three were until they walked into the booth. now a good 5-10 of those also rans deserved to get cut and or shot, but this was an election where Assad chose who he was running against.

If there is a civil war going on you aren't winning 88% of the popular vote. that would be the shortest civil war ever. and its great considering the two guys he was running against never held office and weren't allowed to campaign. and you got to love when Assad puts his 2 biggest rivals in jail right before the election.
 
The only people fighting to oust Assad are western funded mercenaries...Not the Syrian people...

The multiple lies that our government has conditioned Americans with about Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi, ISIS, Al Queda, etc., have been exposed to the anyone paying just halfway attention...

you mean to tell me that Saddam wasn't using the gas weapons we supplied to kill his own people? And neither was Assad? Because thats what I remember being told by our government, sure they want to leave off the part that they supplied them; but it doesn't lessen the fact that the three people you mentioned were killing their own population.

and I have broken down who has been fighting before and the reasons for it. Hafez ran a crony system, Bashar runs a crony system. Hafez's cronys were in the military and or from the poor areas, Bashar is pretty liberal comparatively and his guys are from the city. Hafez had the support of the people because he took care of them. Bashar pissed that away when it came to the drought and other things. When Bashar started replacing military leaders things got rough. and the whole time Bashar is jailing tons of people including a lot of military leaders. because Bashar wasn't financially supporting the military regiments aligned with Hafez's boys they broke up and went home and a good number did turn to terrorism in Iraq and we got to fight them.

well after the people had enough of the crap the main prison was raided by these ex-military still in Syria, who had been sitting on their hands getting more and more pissed off with Bashar, and they freed their people who started the rebellion en-masse. now Bashar captures a good number of these guys and re-imprisons them. but damage done, the civil war was started.

now because the vast majority of the good quality regiments were in rebels hands, is it strange that people didn't like being wrongfully imprisoned, Bashar starts losing ground massively. all over the place. even the units that don't turn on him often won't fight their own country men and brothers in arm. and things start looking really grim. this is when Bashar gets desperate enough to call for American help specifically but we ignore him, as does the rest of the international world; he gets to sleep in the bed he made. (probably should have stayed that way)

now somehow a lot of those prisoners that were recaptured and some others, including Syrian nationals the US had captured in Iraq working for Al-Queda (remember Bush and Obama giving away prisoners, yeah those guys). but now the old military guys are pissed their budies didn't come back for them and wouldn't accept them into their rebellion. so the ex-prisoners "escape" into Iraq with official paper from Bashar, hmmm how did they get that.

They find the left overs of Al-Queda in Iraq and join them and a lot of the prisoners quickly take up leadership positions. Remember this is where a lot of Syrians went after Bashar stopped supporting them. dissatisfied with how they are operating in Iraq, with the lack of support because we were buying tribes people in Iraq. they get up and leave. and unlike the situation in Iraq, the people were pissed and already under armed rebellion in Syria and they become ISIS.

now they quickly expand but this group now in Syria under go a massive leadership fight and Al-Nusra splits off, but ISIS keeps most of the power. the fight was over philosophy issues inside the camp, just how "Islamic" was this bunch going to be. Al Nusra is/was still pretty driven by their faith but not like the crazy guys. and its inferred that the divide was over how to treat the Muslims under them that aren't with them. Nusra says peaceful ISIS says join us or die, thus the fight.

and the rest, as they say, is history.
 
there was a really good article I posted earlier that goes over that info with actual dates and names and sources. not sure if it was this thread or somewhere else, but that was the crux of it as I remember.
 
you mean to tell me that Saddam wasn't using the gas weapons we supplied to kill his own people? And neither was Assad? Because thats what I remember being told by our government, sure they want to leave off the part that they supplied them; but it doesn't lessen the fact that the three people you mentioned were killing their own population.

and I have broken down who has been fighting before and the reasons for it. Hafez ran a crony system, Bashar runs a crony system. Hafez's cronys were in the military and or from the poor areas, Bashar is pretty liberal comparatively and his guys are from the city. Hafez had the support of the people because he took care of them. Bashar pissed that away when it came to the drought and other things. When Bashar started replacing military leaders things got rough. and the whole time Bashar is jailing tons of people including a lot of military leaders. because Bashar wasn't financially supporting the military regiments aligned with Hafez's boys they broke up and went home and a good number did turn to terrorism in Iraq and we got to fight them.

well after the people had enough of the crap the main prison was raided by these ex-military still in Syria, who had been sitting on their hands getting more and more pissed off with Bashar, and they freed their people who started the rebellion en-masse. now Bashar captures a good number of these guys and re-imprisons them. but damage done, the civil war was started.

now because the vast majority of the good quality regiments were in rebels hands, is it strange that people didn't like being wrongfully imprisoned, Bashar starts losing ground massively. all over the place. even the units that don't turn on him often won't fight their own country men and brothers in arm. and things start looking really grim. this is when Bashar gets desperate enough to call for American help specifically but we ignore him, as does the rest of the international world; he gets to sleep in the bed he made. (probably should have stayed that way)

now somehow a lot of those prisoners that were recaptured and some others, including Syrian nationals the US had captured in Iraq working for Al-Queda (remember Bush and Obama giving away prisoners, yeah those guys). but now the old military guys are pissed their budies didn't come back for them and wouldn't accept them into their rebellion. so the ex-prisoners "escape" into Iraq with official paper from Bashar, hmmm how did they get that.

They find the left overs of Al-Queda in Iraq and join them and a lot of the prisoners quickly take up leadership positions. Remember this is where a lot of Syrians went after Bashar stopped supporting them. dissatisfied with how they are operating in Iraq, with the lack of support because we were buying tribes people in Iraq. they get up and leave. and unlike the situation in Iraq, the people were pissed and already under armed rebellion in Syria and they become ISIS.

now they quickly expand but this group now in Syria under go a massive leadership fight and Al-Nusra splits off, but ISIS keeps most of the power. the fight was over philosophy issues inside the camp, just how "Islamic" was this bunch going to be. Al Nusra is/was still pretty driven by their faith but not like the crazy guys. and its inferred that the divide was over how to treat the Muslims under them that aren't with them. Nusra says peaceful ISIS says join us or die, thus the fight.

and the rest, as they say, is history.

I'm telling you that Saddam was a US/Israeli funded and backed asset in his war with Iran. He failed in his attempt to overthrow the Iranian regime. Subsequently, he was demonized for his inability to do this(the west getting a toe hold in iran), thus put on the proverbial chopping block leading to outrageous propagated lies in order to oust him. Granted, Saddam, by no means was without wrong doing, but the chemical weapons stuff is nothing but utter deceit on behalf of the west in order to thieve territory in the ME on the Iranian border...

Going back to the USSR invasion of Afghanistan, the large majority of resistant/rebel forces have been founded, funded and maintained by the US/Israeli alliance...

The same proxy wars are being fought today. The allies of Russia are cross haired in order to induce global domination by Israel and it's American pets and army...
 
I'm telling you that Saddam was a US/Israeli funded and backed asset in his war with Iran. He failed in his attempt to overthrow the Iranian regime. Subsequently, he was demonized for his inability to do this(the west getting a toe hold in iran), thus put on the proverbial chopping block leading to outrageous propagated lies in order to oust him. Granted, Saddam, by no means was without wrong doing, but the chemical weapons stuff is nothing but utter deceit on behalf of the west in order to thieve territory in the ME on the Iranian border...

Going back to the USSR invasion of Afghanistan, the large majority of resistant/rebel forces have been founded, funded and maintained by the US/Israeli alliance...

The same proxy wars are being fought today. The allies of Russia are cross haired in order to induce global domination by Israel and it's American pets and army...

so are you still saying Sadam didn't gas people? seems like he went through the same process you are calling for in Turkey and SA. He was an ally, we used him. He outlives his usefulness/fails, invades another nation, Kuwait (or was that a lie too?) and then we invade knock him down a couple pegs in the cleanest war I have read about. then a couple years down the road we decide to go after him again and finish the job, after more gas attacks (Kurds mostly this time instead of Iranians). seems like the Sauds can be on the same path. so how do you justify the call for removal of those powers that be when earlier examples got us into this mess?

at this point it seems like the whole region has outlived its usefulness. only reason anyone is sticking around is because they don't want to lose territory and they don't want someone else stepping into their old stomping grounds. so we have a perpetual mess over there.

and again you make it sound like its a unique thing that we armed rebels/future terrorists. I have said it before and I will say it again we need to stop doing it. but arming the enemy of your enemy is a tale as old as war. blew up on the Romans too. seems like no one has figured it out yet.

and i am not even going to dignify the pet comment there at the end with a rebuttal.
 
you mean to tell me that Saddam wasn't using the gas weapons we supplied to kill his own people? And neither was Assad? Because thats what I remember being told by our government, sure they want to leave off the part that they supplied them; but it doesn't lessen the fact that the three people you mentioned were killing their own population.

Yeah, you can't believe what our govt and their media puppets say. The gassing of Syrians by Assad was debunked a long time ago and pinned on the FSA...
 
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Russia bombs U.S.-backed Syrian rebels near Jordan border - CNNPolitics.com

The strikes, which the U.S. says killed some New Syrian Army troops, occurred about six miles from the Jordanian border, according to a U.S. defense official. The U.S. diverted armed FA-18s to the area after the first round of two strikes, and the pilots then tried to call the Russians on a previously agreed-upon pilot-to-pilot communications channel but did not receive an answer.

As soon as the U.S. jets left the area to refuel, the Russians came back for another round of bombing, the defense official said.
 
Yeah, you can't believe what our govt and their media puppets say. The gassing of Syrians by Assad was debunked a long time ago and pinned on the FSA...

Assad was just the killing of his own people, no gas there agreed. and I thought it was the whole gas in Syria thing that was disproven, was it ever linked back to the FSA?

but the media told me Saddam was killing people with gas. which must be a lie because the media says it. but then the gas was provided by the US which means its absolutely true and part of some scheme. so confusing which argument to make.
 

do you not expect us to read the article? and new rebels, meaning people are still not happy with Assad.

oh man these were peace loving, ISIS hating rebels. terrible people.

Department officials expressed strong concerns about the attack on the coalition-supported counter-ISIL forces at the At-Tanf garrison, which included forces that are participants in the cessation of hostilities in Syria, and emphasized that those concerns would be addressed through ongoing diplomatic discussions on the cessation of hostilities,"

and again we go back to why the US doesn't want to share intel on the rebels. The Russians don't care who they work for, or even that they are supposed to be making peace with these people.

I mean the Russians are trying to find a peaceful resolution to the matter at hand right?
Russian aircraft have not been active in this area of Southern Syria for some time, and there were no Syrian regime or Russian ground forces in the vicinity," a senior defense official said. "Russia's latest actions raise serious concern about Russian intentions. We will seek an explanation from Russia on why it took this action and assurances this will not happen again."
its all America holding up the peace talks.

at this point I am not even going to pat myself on the back or say I told you so.
U.S. officials are watching the situation closely. Asked about the strikes Friday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter said it raised questions about whether the Russians were actually in Syria to fight Islamic extremists.
"Here's a case where they actually attacked forces that were fighting ISIL.
And if that was their intention, that's the opposite of what they said they were going to do," Carter said. "If not, then it says something about the quality of the information upon which they make airstrikes."
 
Read This Before The Government Uses the Orlando Shooting to Start Another War

Late Thursday evening, the Wall Street Journal reported, 51 State Department officials signed a statement condemning U.S. policy in Syria in which they repeatedly call for “targeted military strikes against the Damascus government and urging regime change as the only way to defeat Islamic State.”

In a meeting with President Obama on Friday, Saudi foreign minister Adel al Jubair asserted, “Saudi Arabia supports a more aggressive military approach in Syria to get Assad to agree to a political solution,” as CBS’ Mark Knoller tweeted.

Disgruntled politicians eager to overthrow Assad — thus also carrying out Saudi goals — can now facilely flip the script to assert deposing the Syrian government is necessary in the fight against everyone’s enemy, the Islamic State.
 

I never did find a hard number on the number of "Officials" in the state department but apparently it ranges somewhere around 200+ (only number I saw came from 2010 so not sure if it went up or down). 1/4. and considering again that your initial article said they were "rank and file" aka desk jockeys I wouldn't read to much into it.

and besides this article I haven't seen any real push to open up another front against Assad because of this. ISIS yeah, Assad no.
 
I thought this was cleared up. sounds like it wasn't.

US urges action over 'Syrian chemical attacks' - BBC News

report finds that both Syria and ISIS have used chemical weapons. no idea if this the same report, different one or what, but it seemed relevant.

Why in the HELL would any leader, of any country, use chemical weapons on their own people? What purpose or good would that do?.... Knowing that would give the green light to countries wanting to overthrow him...
 
Why in the HELL would any leader, of any country, use chemical weapons on their own people? What purpose or good would that do?.... Knowing that would give the green light to countries wanting to overthrow him...

He'S actually correct... this has been cleared up a long time ago. It was proven that the chemical attack was initiated by the Syrian rebels, not Assad.
 
More MSM lies:

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russia-spending-150m-monthly-on-syria-mercenaries-55108

I've read other articles that claim the head of Wagner is a Nazi sympathizer and proponent of fascist ideals. If the name "Wagner" sounds odd for a private Russian security/military force, it should. It's in reference to Richard Wagner, the great German composer, and virulent anti-Semite and proponent of the proto-Nazi ideals that had been stewing in Germany since at least the time of the Prussian Unification. Apparently the founder is fond of his music and, not coincidentally, his ideals.
 
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