Russia brings the fight to ISIS in Syria!!!

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Velo Vol said:
I haven't been in this thread in a while. Missed out on Russia's glorious victory over ISIS!
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everything going alright on your side of the screen?

I am having a hard time finding any real numbers on the pullout. I have heard the took some aircraft and helicopters back. but since we didn't know how many were there its impossible to say how many are left. or better yet how big the pullout has been. twss

the russian sources have been aggravating. 'Russia has pulled out all of its helicopters and most of its ground support.' then later in the same article. 'a significant number of helicopters remain, and Russia maintains its ground support for now.' and even when they are pulled back they are saying the troops are remaining on ready status. doesn't seem like the pullout is real yet.
 
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LouderVol said:
everything going alright on your side of the screen?
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Things are OK, thanks. My interest in engaging in these kind of discussions waned for a while, as interests sometimes do.

This entire presidential election cycle grates on me. It's been entertaining at times, but the bottom line is this is the worst election of my lifetime, and there's still seven months to go.
 
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LouderVol said:
I hear you Velo. it hasn't been as exciting in the international world of late. nothing new at least.
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It's not that important things aren't happening in the world--there are. But so much of American news media coverage misses them, with most of the oxygen going to the dumbness of this election.
 
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Syrian Elections 2016: US, NATO Criminals, Liars & Hypocrites? Failed Attempt to Deny the Will of the Syrian People

The award for hypocrisy goes to..
US State Department spokesperson Mark Toner said that the US “would view those elections as not legitimate in the sense that they don’t represent… the will of the Syrian people.
“So, to hold parliamentary elections now, given the current circumstances, given the current conditions in the country, we believe is at best premature and not representative of the Syrian people,” Toner said.
Early last week Toner said that “a political process that reflects the desires and will of the Syrian people is what should ultimately decide the future leadership and the future government of Syria.”
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I think this is pretty cool.

Russian Orchestra Performs In Syria's Palmyra Ruins, Recently Held By ISIS - Live Webcast | Zero Hedge
In an surprising development for war-torn Syria, Russia's famous Mariinsky Theatre Orchestra, is giving a concert on Thursday on the stage of Palmyra's world-famous amphitheater, which until recently was under ISIS control and parts of which had been destroyed.

The orchestra, conducted by world-famous conductor Valery Gergiev, is holding a "Pray for Palmyra. Music Revives Ancient Ruins" concert on the stage of Palmyra's historic amphitheater. Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday during a videoconference with Syria's city of Palmyra, liberated from Daesh terrorists, that the concert of Russia's Mariinsky Theatre Symphony Orchestra in the historic city is a gratitude to everyone fighting against terrorism.
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The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : US Ambassador to Hungary: Overthrow Assad, Let in Refugees, and Fight Russia...or Else!

Ambassador Bell's previous job was as a television soap opera producer, but raising more than two million dollars for the election of Barack Obama "earned" her the position of top US diplomat in Hungary.
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ISIS has flourished in Syria, she told the Hungarians, because it "exploits the chaos of civil war in Syria, a conflict that has now claimed more than 250,000 lives." But she does not mention that it was US backing for "regime change" in Syria -- beginning at least in 2006, as we learn from a critical Wikileaks-released US Embassy Damascus memo -- that created that very chaos she blames for the rise of ISIS.
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She then tells the Hungarians ISIS will never be defeated in Syria until Assad is overthrown:
[W]e know we won’t be able to defeat Daesh in Syria unless we also deal with the civil war and particularly with Assad. Because as long as Assad is there, he remains the most powerful magnet for foreign fighters and recruits to Daesh.
Does she assume Hungarians are so stupid that they believe that by attacking and beating ISIS back nearly to Raqqa (with Russian assistance), the Syrian government of Assad is actually benefitting ISIS? Attacking ISIS means Assad is on the side of ISIS?
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In the era of NSA spying on innocent Americans, Guantanamo, CIA torture, weapons sales to the world's worst dictators (Saudi Arabia for one), destruction of the environment by the US war machine, "regime change" operations that violate the sovereignty of other states, and outright aggression in opposition to US and international law (Libya, etc.), Bell's suggestion that "our global order" is the pinnacle of civilization should get a laugh out of most Hungarians. In fact, from Libya to Syria to Ukriane to Pakistan and Afghanistan, the US interventionist attempt to forge a global order with blood and bullets will go down in history along with the authoritarianisms of the 20th century as one of humanity's darkest chapters.
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Pacer92 said:
The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : US Ambassador to Hungary: Overthrow Assad, Let in Refugees, and Fight Russia...or Else!
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so I like how the article completely discredits here at the start and then turns around and uses her as irrefutable evidence. Can't have both.

and about half of that stuff are really "duh" comments. Can't finish off ISIS until the civil war is over, no crap, we have been saying that from the start that ISIS was taking advantage of the situation. And yeah removing Assad would go a long way to ending the civil war and seeing as how he released some of the original ISIS members I would say it would probably help end ISIS too.

lets see next thing, oh yeah about how fighting ISIS is helping ISIS. Thats the very thing America has been accused of, don't like it when its flipped? and the part they are leaving out about the fight towards Raqqa has been the hundreds of civilians killed by Assad and the Russians on the way. again the very same thing we argue about on here all the time. If we want to wipe them out we have to kill them all, but if we kill them we are just making others angry and they join afterwards. but if Russia thinks that more involvement will help them while it has hurt us, go for it.

oh yeah that Damscus document that says if Assad doesn't change his evil ways there will be civil war. again no crap. that's what happens when you dramatically take away your people's freedom and stop dealing with problems. Every one of your "color revolutions" has a long list of actual reasons for it behind them.

and I like how international law is listed as one of our wrong doings.
 
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LouderVol said:
so I like how the article completely discredits here at the start and then turns around and uses her as irrefutable evidence. Can't have both.

and about half of that stuff are really "duh" comments. Can't finish off ISIS until the civil war is over, no crap, we have been saying that from the start that ISIS was taking advantage of the situation. And yeah removing Assad would go a long way to ending the civil war and seeing as how he released some of the original ISIS members I would say it would probably help end ISIS too.

lets see next thing, oh yeah about how fighting ISIS is helping ISIS. Thats the very thing America has been accused of, don't like it when its flipped? and the part they are leaving out about the fight towards Raqqa has been the hundreds of civilians killed by Assad and the Russians on the way. again the very same thing we argue about on here all the time. If we want to wipe them out we have to kill them all, but if we kill them we are just making others angry and they join afterwards. but if Russia thinks that more involvement will help them while it has hurt us, go for it.

oh yeah that Damscus document that says if Assad doesn't change his evil ways there will be civil war. again no crap. that's what happens when you dramatically take away your people's freedom and stop dealing with problems. Every one of your "color revolutions" has a long list of actual reasons for it behind them.

and I like how international law is listed as one of our wrong doings.
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Why can't it do both? Why can't it discredit her because she was a soap opera producer that got this appointment because she donated funds, instead of being experienced or qualified? That's enough evidence in itself, not including her words, that our foreign policy is laughable.


How Much Does It Cost to Be Ambassador to Hungary? - Bloomberg View

Who is Colleen Bell? Bell is a soap opera producer -- "The Bold and the Beautiful" is her masterwork -- who was nominated by Barack Obama's administration to serve as U.S. ambassador to Hungary. Bell, one of Obama's larger fundraising "bundlers," bought this nomination with more than $500,000 of mostly other people's money.
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And yes, our color revolutions have a purpose. To uproot democratically elected leaders to place US puppets in place regardless of what the people of that country want.

And let's not go there with international law. The US is the undisputed winner when it comes to breaking them. Illegal invasion of Iraq, illegal drone strikes, Guantanamo, violating Syrian airspace, etc, etc..
 
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Pacer92 said:
Why can't it do both? Why can't it discredit her because she was a soap opera producer that got this appointment because she donated funds, instead of being experienced or qualified? That's enough evidence in itself, not including her words, that our foreign policy is laughable.


How Much Does It Cost to Be Ambassador to Hungary? - Bloomberg View



And yes, our color revolutions have a purpose. To uproot democratically elected leaders to place US puppets in place regardless of what the people of that country want.

And let's not go there with international law. The US is the undisputed winner when it comes to breaking them. Illegal invasion of Iraq, illegal drone strikes, Guantanamo, violating Syrian airspace, etc, etc..
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To the first point, if I was wanting to sell someone as a credible source I wouldn't want to break her down and ridicule them and then turn around and use their quotes as reliable information. Or another way it like us arguing, me posting something you countering and then later on using my post in a positive manner to make your point.

my point about the color revolutions was that there were and are revolutions before we ever got going. and with all of these color revolutions there are existing conditions that explain why there is a revolution. and that explanation is not Nuland's cookies.
 
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The causes of the Arab Spring, the Syrian Civil War, and the Euromaidan (and resulting pseudo-civil war in Ukraine) are so manifold that any attempt to attribute any of these to just one singular cause - be it Western coups or American "color revolutions", or be it Russian aggression - is straight from the propaganda machine of whatever deep state apparatus it is that one may serve.
 
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Right now, who can argue against the truth he's telling right here? Everything he said about Libya, Syria and the oil purchases turned out to be true.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQuceU3x2Ww[/youtube]
 
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