Russia says 60 dead, 145 injured in concert hall raid; Islamic State group claims responsibility

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Pacer92 said:
Could Muslim, extremist-looking men been intentionally recruited to play this role? Then immediately after throw out the “ISIS takes responsibility” promo in western media?

ISIS has/had zero to gain from this and it’s not like they’re this independent, autonomous operation that answers to nobody.
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We tried to warn Putin:

www.bbc.com

Moscow attack: Did Russia ignore US 'extremist' attacks warning?

The attack on a concert hall in Moscow raises difficult questions for Putin at a time of global mistrust.
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Pacer92 said:
Could Muslim, extremist-looking men been intentionally recruited to play this role? Then immediately after throw out the “ISIS takes responsibility” promo in western media?

ISIS has/had zero to gain from this and it’s not like they’re this independent, autonomous operation that answers to nobody.
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I love the mental gymnastics of a bunch of terrorists in third world nations are part of some well organized centrally ran machine that ONLY works off the whims of the west.

terrorists usually work in cells. cells that are quiet independent from each other. its why taking out the leadership in Afghanistan for 20 years didn't lead to any different results, you aren't cutting the head off a snake, you are cutting a head off a hydra.

what do any terrorists have to gain with any of their attacks? This ISIS-K group mentioned this was retaliation for Russia's involvement in Syria. just like our involvement has lead to more attacks on US assets and allies its not a stretch to conclude that Russia's involvement also is making them a target. its not like this is the first instance of Islamic attacks in Russia under Putin.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Could Muslim, extremist-looking men been intentionally recruited to play this role? Then immediately after throw out the “ISIS takes responsibility” promo in western media?

ISIS has/had zero to gain from this and it’s not like they’re this independent, autonomous operation that answers to nobody.
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Recruited to get the everliving sh)t kicked out of them and later executed? Sounds promising, what's it pay and do I get major medical with high limit ENT?
Russia helps Assad. Assad and ISIS fight each other. Hurting Russia helps ISIS. Et voila there it is.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Could Muslim, extremist-looking men been intentionally recruited to play this role? Then immediately after throw out the “ISIS takes responsibility” promo in western media?

ISIS has/had zero to gain from this and it’s not like they’re this independent, autonomous operation that answers to nobody.
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Evidence supporting your idiotic tin foil hat theory?
 
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EasternVol said:
Recruited to get the everliving sh)t kicked out of them and later executed? Sounds promising, what's it pay and do I get major medical with high limit ENT?
Russia helps Assad. Assad and ISIS fight each other. Hurting Russia helps ISIS. Et voila there it is.
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No no no. That can’t be it. It has to be way more complicated than that and ultimately the US’s fault.
 
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LouderVol said:
so you are back to the CIA convinced Russia that only viable option was for Russia to invade Ukraine so that the west could then fight a proxy war.

you know instead of the CIA going to one of our proxies and just having them start the war.

had Ukraine attacked Russia first, your argument would make sense.

but I love how incredibly genius you think our system is, and how dumb Russia is to buy into, what you see as, clear western propaganda/scheming.
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We’ve rehashed the origins plenty to know where one another stands..and that’s not going to change.

The fact is our country’s ambition of crippling Russia has failed…at least to this point. We should not be financing or pushing for a military outcome.
 
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EasternVol said:
Recruited to get the everliving sh)t kicked out of them and later executed? Sounds promising, what's it pay and do I get major medical with high limit ENT?
Russia helps Assad. Assad and ISIS fight each other. Hurting Russia helps ISIS. Et voila there it is.
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People get recruited to join the military don’t they? Where death is possibility..

Russia helps Assad…we help ISIS
 
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Pacer92 said:
We’ve rehashed the origins plenty to know where one another stands..and that’s not going to change.

The fact is our country’s ambition of crippling Russia has failed…at least to this point. We should not be financing or pushing for a military outcome.
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I agree we shouldn't be financing Ukraine. but we didn't push for that. Russia invaded and took it out of our hands.

*also you have never once addressed Yanukoyvch campaigning and getting elected on a pro-western stance.
 
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LouderVol said:
I agree we shouldn't be financing Ukraine. but we didn't push for that. Russia invaded and took it out of our hands.

*also you have never once addressed Yanukoyvch campaigning and getting elected on a pro-western stance.
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I’m not sure how they took it out of our hands? We have pushed for anything other than a peaceful outcome…

The people obviously didn’t realize at the time where this pro-western stance would ultimately lead to..
 
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Pacer92 said:
I’m not sure how they took it out of our hands? We have pushed for anything other than a peaceful outcome…

The people obviously didn’t realize at the time where this pro-western stance would ultimately lead to..
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Why aren't you criticizing Russia for continuing to wage war, rather than remove their soldiers from the internationally-recognized borders of Ukraine?

Wouldn't that be the quickest path to peace?

For the country that initiated the invasion, so cease invading?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Why aren't you criticizing Russia for continuing to wage war, rather than remove their soldiers from the internationally-recognized borders of Ukraine?

Wouldn't that be the quickest path to peace?

For the country that initiated the invasion, so cease invading?
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It’s hilarious.

Russia violates all of their prior commitments to recognize Ukraine sovereign boundaries.

Russian stooges: “this is horrible we need Ukraine to just give Russian what they want to end this”

Not the obvious “this is horrible Russia needs to cease their aggression and go back to their own shithole country”
 
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BeardedVol said:
Why aren't you criticizing Russia for continuing to wage war, rather than remove their soldiers from the internationally-recognized borders of Ukraine?

Wouldn't that be the quickest path to peace?

For the country that initiated the invasion, so cease invading?
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Russia tried peace multiple times through the Minsk agreements that were ultimately balked on by western sponsored Ukraine..
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It’s hilarious.

Russia violates all of their prior commitments to recognize Ukraine sovereign boundaries.

Russian stooges: “this is horrible we need Ukraine to just give Russian what they want to end this”

Not the obvious “this is horrible Russia needs to cease their aggression and go back to their own shithole country”
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It's Olympic-level mental gymnastics on display every time.
 
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Pacer92 said:
I’m not sure how they took it out of our hands? We have pushed for anything other than a peaceful outcome…

The people obviously didn’t realize at the time where this pro-western stance would ultimately lead to..
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Russia invading them? yeah, I doubt they were taking Russia's best interest to heart in their Ukrainian elections.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Then why not wear suicide vest and take out even more…rather than being caught and tortured before certain death?
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because Putin needed someone he could squeeze a narrative out of.

Why would the west/israel want survivors?
 
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Pacer92 said:
Russia tried peace multiple times through the Minsk agreements that were ultimately balked on by western sponsored Ukraine..
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Lol, you are aware that the only reason the Minsk agreements exist, are because Russia had already seized Crimea, and sent soldiers into eastern Ukraine, right?

Or are you as ignorant of the timeline of events regarding Russia's invasion that begin in 2014, as you are of most other topics that you discuss here?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, you are aware that the only reason the Minsk agreements exist, are because Russia had already seized Crimea, and sent soldiers into eastern Ukraine, right?

Or are you as ignorant of the timeline of events regarding Russia's invasion that begin in 2014, as you are of most other topics that you discuss here?
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So, there was an option for peace, correct?

Looks like that was the better option rather than losing even more territory and a generation of Ukrainians..
 
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Pacer92 said:
So, there was an option for peace, correct?

Looks like that was the better option rather than losing even more territory and a generation of Ukrainians..
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There sure was. The peace option was for the orcs to stay put in their trailer park shithole country just like he said.
 
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Pacer92 said:
So, there was an option for peace, correct?

Looks like that was the better option rather than losing even more territory and a generation of Ukrainians..
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Yes, which would have required Russia to actually abide by their own obligations under the Minsk agreements; they did not.

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Your assertion earlier that the Minsk agreements were an "attempt at peace" is patently false, given that Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.

There would have been "peace" had Russia not invaded Ukraine in the first place.
 
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