Santiago Vescovi

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The game came down to the poor shooting of Bowden 1 of 12 and the fact we couldn't get to the free throw line. They had 12 points there to out three. Defense was worst we've played,but you don't have a chance if you senior is in a huge slump 3 of last 25 and you lose the turnover battle by such a large amount. I thought Vescovi played ok giving the fact he has only been here a week and hasn't been in any live action. He can shoot the ball is gonna have to get better passing and being in control 9 turnovers turned his debut from very positive to just ok. I am very glad we have him probably score another 48 without him today. I hope Bowden can figure it out and salvage his senior season right now he is hurting the team more than any other player.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Your question is legit. Communication on the court is extremely important and can be a struggle for any freshman, especially a PG. Not being able to speak the same general language as the rest of your teammates is a big problem. It held Pons back to a degree. Vescovi is fluent in English, so he's got a leg up in that department.
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Yep, seen him on post game, he came off as real genuine. Bob asked him what brought him to UT, said he just felt really at home on his visit and connected with players. Also thanked the fans and his teammates for helping adjust.
I think the FB video was just more a novelty thing, since he is from Uruguay.
 
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He got to the rim several times and had real good looks. Just had some bad bounces... almost like there was a lid on the rim.

One or 2 of his second half outside shots looked pretty bad. But Barnes pointed out that he had played him too many minutes... he needs some more conditioning work.

He was pretty effective at getting the ball in to the post. Sometimes it was 2 or 3 fakes or attempts, but he was persistent and usually eventually got the ball to where he was trying to send it. Most everybody else takes one or two looks and if it's not there they move it on around the perimeter or out top. Would have been sweet to see him feeding Grant.

Struggled several times when he was the inbounder. I don't think he had any 5-second calls, be he might have been at 4.5 several times. Threw it off of the defender one time... haven't seen that move nearly as often as 20 years ago.
 
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I wonder how Barnes felt with how many times he would shoot it. Curious if he wants SV to be more of a scorer or passer at this point
 
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Captain Mitch said:
I wonder how Barnes felt with how many times he would shoot it. Curious if he wants SV to be more of a scorer or passer at this point
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He certainly seems to have more a scorer's mentality than a point guard's. To come to a foreign country, practice one week, join a team that has already played double digit games, and then lead the team in field goal attempts is very surprising to me. He certainly doesn't lack confidence.

I watched him five minutes and thought he must have been Gail Goodrich's son. I'm probably the only one on here old enough to remember him. He was a 6'2 left hander that led an early 70's Lakers championship team in scoring. A team that also included Chamberlain and West. The resemblance was striking to me, but maybe I'm just an old man doing some reminiscing.
 
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76vol said:
He certainly seems to have more a scorer's mentality than a point guard's. To come to a foreign country, practice one week, join a team that has already played double digit games, and then lead the team in field goal attempts is very surprising to me. He certainly doesn't lack confidence.

I watched him five minutes and thought he must have been Gail Goodrich's son. I'm probably the only one on here old enough to remember him. He was a 6'2 left hander that led an early 70's Lakers championship team in scoring. A team that also included Chamberlain and West. The resemblance was striking to me, but maybe I'm just an old man doing some reminiscing.
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He may have shot the ball a lot, but in the 2nd half, there were many times when he passed up an open shot. He certainly has a knack for getting open.
 
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i2amavol said:
He may have shot the ball a lot, but in the 2nd half, there were many times when he passed up an open shot. He certainly has a knack for getting open.
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I like his confidence and willingness to shoot the ball. I am excited to see him paired with what we have coming in next year.
 
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Vescovi comes from a team whose bread and butter was scoring off the break and perimeter shooting. They averaged 30+ shots from 3. Most of our guys are rhythm shooters. If Vescovi can get us back to scoring off transition like we were early in the season, things could really improve.
 
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It’s weird how screwed up box scores got with him playing. ESPN for some reason has JJJ as only logging 6 min and Jalen 26. The Score app said our top performer was someone named Casey Cantey. And KenPom is showing Fleschman as being our PG in the depth chart.
 
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i2amavol said:
He may have shot the ball a lot, but in the 2nd half, there were many times when he passed up an open shot. He certainly has a knack for getting open.
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Just to be clear it wasn't a criticism but more an analysis of who he is as a player. He seems to know who he is whereas James appears to me to still be trying to figure out his role.
 
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golfballs said:
It’s weird how screwed up box scores got with him playing. ESPN for some reason has JJJ as only logging 6 min and Jalen 26. The Score app said our top performer was someone named Casey Cantey. And KenPom is showing Fleschman as being our PG in the depth chart.
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Must have been the stat sheet the guy was working from in the presser. Asked Barnes why JJJ only played 7 minutes in first half. Barnes stuttered and answered him. Utsports stats say he played 38 minutes.
 
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I still see him being a PG first moving forward. Scoring is a much simpler thing to look for (especially 3s) when you don't know the team offense/style fully yet. It's a talent that is transferable across many teams. So I don't see him having looked to score as much as a "scorers mentality" more than that is just what he knew he could do in the possession and wasn't in the right place to set the teammate up or run the offense. I believe he'll settle in to more of a PG role as he develops in the team offense. That being said, it's nice to know he can score too.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
I still see him being a PG first moving forward. Scoring is a much simpler thing to look for (especially 3s) when you don't know the team offense/style fully yet. It's a talent that is transferable across many teams. So I don't see him having looked to score as much as a "scorers mentality" more than that is just what he knew he could do in the possession and wasn't in the right place to set the teammate up or run the offense. I believe he'll settle in to more of a PG role as he develops in the team offense. That being said, it's nice to know he can score too.
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Agree completely...he wasn’t going Turner and jacking stuff up, his 3’s were within the flow of the offense and were mostly all good looks. Teams having to honor that will only make him more effective as a PG and us a better team, and given the weakness of many of our guys being perimeter shooting it’s a welcome addition.
 
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The good far outweighed the bad with his first game. I can excuse 9 turnovers. He's playing an entirely new game over in America, and as Barnes said one of his turnovers was a travel that is never called in Europe but will always be called in America. He just has to learn the ins and outs of this new style of basketball and settle in to the length and speed of the athletes and his turnovers will drop.

On the positive side, we didn't light up the scoreboard but our offense already looked vastly improved with him on the court. Having a legitimate scoring threat takes some stress off the other players and opens up the court. His no-look dish to Pons was a thing of beauty and he changes directions on a dime. I would say for his very first game he played great. And if he improves at the rate Jordan Bone did over three years, we're looking at a special player.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
The good far outweighed the bad with his first game. I can excuse 9 turnovers. He's playing an entirely new game over in America, and as Barnes said one of his turnovers was a travel that is never called in Europe but will always be called in America. He just has to learn the ins and outs of this new style of basketball and settle in to the length and speed of the athletes and his turnovers will drop.

On the positive side, we didn't light up the scoreboard but our offense already looked vastly improved with him on the court. Having a legitimate scoring threat takes some stress off the other players and opens up the court. His no-look dish to Pons was a thing of beauty and he changes directions on a dime. I would say for his very first game he played great. And if he improves at the rate Jordan Bone did over three years, we're looking at a special player.
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I agree. I definitely think he can help transform the outlook for this team. That doesn't mean we are a shoe-in for the tourney, but he can create some opportunities for players to get their shots, plus add a few of his own. If he develops like I think he can, he will help to create an exciting team to watch.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
The good far outweighed the bad with his first game. I can excuse 9 turnovers. He's playing an entirely new game over in America, and as Barnes said one of his turnovers was a travel that is never called in Europe but will always be called in America. He just has to learn the ins and outs of this new style of basketball and settle in to the length and speed of the athletes and his turnovers will drop.

On the positive side, we didn't light up the scoreboard but our offense already looked vastly improved with him on the court. Having a legitimate scoring threat takes some stress off the other players and opens up the court. His no-look dish to Pons was a thing of beauty and he changes directions on a dime. I would say for his very first game he played great. And if he improves at the rate Jordan Bone did over three years, we're looking at a special player.
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To that point, one thing I noticed, and I am unsure of the international rule, but when he took the ball out of bounds on a dead ball underneath our own basket, he took about 4 steps down the baseline, and I was waiting for it to be called, but it never was. To be fair they weren’t enormous steps, but he clearly walked when he should have been forced to be stationary out of bounds. Not sure what the international rule is for a dead ball along the baseline, though, so not sure if he thought he was allowed to move. My guess is that he just got happy feet, because he didn’t make any attempt to move back and forth to find an open teammate to inbound the ball to, but to that point, I was surprised it wasn’t called.
 
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cncchris33 said:
To that point, one thing I noticed, and I am unsure of the international rule, but when he took the ball out of bounds on a dead ball underneath our own basket, he took about 4 steps down the baseline, and I was waiting for it to be called, but it never was. To be fair they weren’t enormous steps, but he clearly walked when he should have been forced to be stationary out of bounds. Not sure what the international rule is for a dead ball along the baseline, though, so not sure if he thought he was allowed to move. My guess is that he just got happy feet, because he didn’t make any attempt to move back and forth to find an open teammate to inbound the ball to, but to that point, I was surprised it wasn’t called.
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I thought that was allowed on baseline dead balls. I've definitely seen it several times in college bball.
 
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cncchris33 said:
To that point, one thing I noticed, and I am unsure of the international rule, but when he took the ball out of bounds on a dead ball underneath our own basket, he took about 4 steps down the baseline, and I was waiting for it to be called, but it never was. To be fair they weren’t enormous steps, but he clearly walked when he should have been forced to be stationary out of bounds. Not sure what the international rule is for a dead ball along the baseline, though, so not sure if he thought he was allowed to move. My guess is that he just got happy feet, because he didn’t make any attempt to move back and forth to find an open teammate to inbound the ball to, but to that point, I was surprised it wasn’t called.
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College basketball officiating is the explanation to the missed call lol

Sometimes I am not sure the officials even know all the rules (not even exaggerating).
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I thought that was allowed on baseline dead balls. I've definitely seen it several times in college bball.
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Only after a made shot, and on the baseline under your opponent's basket. You can never roam the sideline or baseline after an out of bounds, foul, or jump ball (change of possession).
 
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cncchris33 said:
Only after a made shot, and on the baseline under your opponent's basket. You can never roam the sideline or baseline after an out of bounds, foul, or jump ball (change of possession).
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Ohhhh ok, I'm with you now. I dunno what was up with that play.
 
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VEKZY said:
College basketball officiating is the explanation to the missed call lol

Sometimes I am not sure the officials even know all the rules (not even exaggerating).
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I’m sure it just wasn’t being monitored. And like I said, they weren’t huge steps. I just happened to think to myself to watch his feet when he took the ball out to inbound it. And it was very noticeable if you were watching for it. As a current official, and a former basketball official, I catch myself watching for those kinds of things. Since I was watching his feet, I didn’t see what the baseline official was watching, but he clearly wasn’t doing his job on that play.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I’m sure it just wasn’t being monitored. And like I said, they weren’t huge steps. I just happened to think to myself to watch his feet when he took the ball out to inbound it. And it was very noticeable if you were watching for it. As a current official, and a former basketball official, I catch myself watching for those kinds of things. Since I was watching his feet, I didn’t see what the baseline official was watching, but he clearly wasn’t doing his job on that play.
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Just pulled up the rule book, apparently the player can move within a 3-foot area. See Art. 8. I thought for sure I've seen traveling called for shuffling feet while throwing in though.

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VEKZY said:
Just pulled up the rule book, apparently the player can move within a 3-foot area. See Art. 8. I thought for sure I've seen traveling called for shuffling feet while throwing in though.

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Interesting. I wonder if that is a newer rule, or one I was simply never taught when I officiated (many years ago). I have definitely seen it called a travel on several occasions, but I don’t know that it was outside of 3’.
 
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