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#727
#727
Septic said:
Not in my opinion.

The irony to me is in feeling the need to fake a tweet and fake an apology - ginned up to make sure that the "targets" knew they were supposed to be offended. Someone thought that the genuine article couldn't put two and two together.
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You’re arguing about a tweet that you dug up in a “fact check” trying to debunk another one of Biden’s bigoted statements. Not only did Biden actually make the statement, but nobody even brought up the tweet you are talking about.

You reacted to the fact check exactly as the authors intended. Congrats.
 
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#729
#729
Credo said:
Liberal revisionist b.s. The first European settlement in the new world was Pensacola and it was wiped out by a hurricane, not a farming issue. Do you really believe if there were no natives when the Europeans landed the United States would be significantly different than it is today? Cmon man, why is it so hard for whites to be proud of what their ancestors built?
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Yikes.

I don't know what's more irrelevant to the conversation, you feeling the need to point out that the first settlement was in Pensacola or that it was wiped out by a hurricane.

It's curious to me why you'd feel the need to agree that's it's acceptable to tear down another culture in order to prop up you own. No one is suggesting that the Europeans didn't "build" (on the backs of those they conquered), it's simply low rent to so needlessly suggest that the people who were conquered lacked culture.
 
#730
#730
DC_Vol said:
You’re arguing about a tweet that you dug up in a “fact check” trying to debunk another one of Biden’s bigoted statements. Not only did Biden actually make the statement, but nobody even brought up the tweet you are talking about.

You reacted to the fact check exactly as the authors intended. Congrats.
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Sep got his panties twisted. Posted a fact check. Fact check rejected and ended up posting the quote which got his knickers knackered in the 1st place.

He must've been distracted today.

Sep, you fasting off sugar and caffeine, too???
 
#731
#731
Septic said:
Yikes.

I don't know what's more irrelevant to the conversation, you feeling the need to point out that the first settlement was in Pensacola or that it was wiped out by a hurricane.

It's curious to me why you'd feel the need to agree that's it's acceptable to tear down another culture in order to prop up you own. No one is suggesting that the Europeans didn't "build" (on the backs of those they conquered), it's simply low rent to so needlessly suggest that the people who were conquered lacked culture.
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He didnt say they lacked culture. He just said there isnt much Native American culture in American culture.
 
#732
#732
DC_Vol said:
You’re arguing about a tweet that you dug up in a “fact check” trying to debunk another one of Biden’s bigoted statements. Not only did Biden actually make the statement, but nobody even brought up the tweet you are talking about.

You reacted to the fact check exactly as the authors intended. Congrats.
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If it weren't for the tweets, nobody would be talking about the statement - because it wasn't racist. If it were, the manufactured tweet and manufactured apology wouldn't have been necessary. Get it?

Not sure why this is so tough to grasp - literally no one thought or believed the town hall comments were worthy of clutched pearls, until they were told they should be. So I'd agree, one of us is reacting.
 
#733
#733
LouderVol said:
He didnt say they lacked culture. He just said there isnt much Native American culture in American culture.
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I guess when you cram people into reservations and ignore them, that tends to happen.
 
#734
#734
Septic said:
I guess when you cram people into reservations and ignore them, that tends to happen.
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Or when you incorporate a bunch of disparate tribes with a combined population less than 1% the total it also happens.

No losing culture directly influences the winners. Any culture, any time, any place. No idea why people get butt hurt when the US isnt different than every other nation before it.
 
#735
#735
McDad said:
Sep got his panties twisted. Posted a fact check. Fact check rejected and ended up posting the quote which got his knickers knackered in the 1st place.

He must've been distracted today.

Sep, you fasting off sugar and caffeine, too???
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LOL, these are the kind of digs I'd expect to see on the Disney Frozen 2 forums.

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#736
#736
LouderVol said:
Or when you incorporate a bunch of disparate tribes with a combined population less than 1% the total it also happens.

No losing culture directly influences the winners. Any culture, any time, any place. No idea why people get butt hurt when the US isnt different than every other nation before it.
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I think it could be argued that the numbers that are left is as a direct result of 90% of native american's being killed by Europeans in some form or fashion.
 
#737
#737
Septic said:
LOL, these are the kind of digs I'd expect to see on the Disney Frozen 2 forums.

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I'm doing the best I can between making chili and grilled chz sandwiches and trying to ship Louder & Pasty.
 
#740
#740
Septic said:
If it weren't for the tweets, nobody would be talking about the statement - because it wasn't racist. If it were, the manufactured tweet and manufactured apology wouldn't have been necessary. Get it?

Not sure why this is so tough to grasp - literally no one thought or believed the town hall comments were worthy of clutched pearls, until they were told they should be. So I'd agree, one of us is reacting.
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I didn’t see it in a tweet and I knew he said it. The only reason you have to believe that nobody would know about what he said except for the bogus tweets is because that is how the fact check sites shaped the story. They needed something to punch at.

Let’s run down the facts:

1- PJ quoted Joe Biden in context.

2- You questioned the legitimacy of the quotation

3- You found some fact check sites that were punching at some random person’s misrepresentation of Biden’s actual statements to then claim PJ’s quotation was inaccurate

4- Once you realized you fell into the fact check trap that was set for you, you changed the argument to the statements weren’t racist and the only reason people know about them is due to the random tweet the fact checkers knocked down.

Nobody is having a hard time grasping anything or “pearl clutching”. They understand points 1-4 above.

If you want to continue looking foolish, be my guest.
 
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#741
#741
Septic said:
Yikes.

I don't know what's more irrelevant to the conversation, you feeling the need to point out that the first settlement was in Pensacola or that it was wiped out by a hurricane.

It's curious to me why you'd feel the need to agree that's it's acceptable to tear down another culture in order to prop up you own. No one is suggesting that the Europeans didn't "build" (on the backs of those they conquered), it's simply low rent to so needlessly suggest that the people who were conquered lacked culture.
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Curious to me why only whites are not allowed to take pride in their accomplishments and it’s always “on the backs” of other races. You are either a self hating white or a racist who doesn’t let facts get in the way of your delusional world. The oracle you cited as evidence stated if it were not for Indians white Europeans would’ve starved. That was the reason I brought up Pensacola as evidence it wasn’t lack of agricultural knowledge but weather that doomed the first colony. Europeans suddenly forgetting how to put seeds in the ground despite having similar climate and soil in Europe is ridiculous
 
#745
#745
Septic said:
I think it could be argued that the numbers that are left is as a direct result of 90% of native american's being killed by Europeans in some form or fashion.
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By the time the Europeans landed pretty much anywhere (vikings) the population in North America was under 10 million, and had been dropping from a peak of almost 40 million. Central and south America were more populated. Which is why they still had various empires present.
 
#749
#749
Why do people feel sorry for/defend the Indians? They didn't control immigration, got over run by an advanced society and lost the wars.
 
#750
#750
hog88 said:
He's wrong yet you can't point to any indian culture?
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facepalm*

hog, despite your screen name, I would hope you have a bigger pea brain than an actual pig/hog. LouderVol was wrong about what Santorum said. Santorum clearly said "there was nothing here." and " 'We' .... "built a nation from nothing."

that's what I was responding to, LouderVol getting Santorum's quote WRONG
 
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