Satellite camps banned

[BruinVol]

Reading is fundamental......

Let me help you out with this ignorance of the process you are exhibiting here

Dead wrong......the HS coaches are sending film, free of charge, to any school that a kid is interested in going to.....

you are saying that a college coach can not evaluate a player off of their film......if they are interested in said player, they will go see him or get him on campus........

There is no timeframe in the summer where coaches can go see recruits per the NCAA recruiting calendar which is exactly why camps are done during that time.

Your other statement was "or get them to campus". Well again those trips are very expensive and for a kid that has 5-10 schools trying to get them to campus they can't afford all those trips.

Sorry but your knowledge of the process can simply be described with one word.... Ignorance

 

[BowlBrother85]

There are reasons why a player with an arm and potential like Brett Favre ends up playing QB at Southern Miss instead of an SEC school. Do you know what his high school film would have shown you? Him running the wishbone and only throwing about 3 passes a game... Southern Miss was his only scholarship offer at any level and they even wanted him to play defensive back. There are times when a player's high school film tells very little about what they are capable of. Favre being the best example.

As for the argument that satellite camps are just side shows? There are 'side show' aspects to them but to act like evaluations can't also be made is absurd.

 

[T-TownVol]

Simple question.......are there THOUSANDS of available scholarships NOT being given with the current rules?

Your arguments hold no merritt.......these camps are NOT necessary......you can spin it any way you want.....the NCAA saw right through the "need" for these camps......

 

[T-TownVol]

There are reasons why a player with an arm and potential like Brett Favre ends up playing QB at Southern Miss instead of an SEC school. Do you know what his high school film would have shown you? Him running the wishbone and only throwing about 3 passes a game... Southern Miss was his only scholarship offer at any level and they even wanted him to play defensive back. There are times when a player's high school film tells very little about what they are capable of. Favre being the best example.

As for the argument that satellite camps are just side shows? There are 'side show' aspects to them but to act like evaluations can't also be made is absurd.

We are not talking 30 years ago.......

 

[BruinVol]

Simple question.......are there THOUSANDS of available scholarships NOT being given with the current rules?

Your arguments hold no merritt.......these camps are NOT necessary......you can spin it any way you want.....the NCAA saw right through the "need" for these camps......

lol

More comical ignorance


Just because scholarships are being filled it doesn't mean there being given to the best most deserving players


Under that ignorant thinking prearranged marriages were fine and dandy Because people were still getting married

 

[T-TownVol]

With THAT insightful response.........nevermind......

 

[BowlBrother85]

We are not talking 30 years ago.......

You don't think the same set of circumstances can still apply today? Not an extreme example of a strong armed QB running a wishbone maybe...but a great RB that plays for an offense that throws the ball 40 times a game? Yes, that happens.

 

[BruinVol]

You don't think the same set of circumstances can still apply today? Not an extreme example of a strong armed QB running a wishbone maybe...but a great RB that plays for an offense that throws the ball 40 times a game? Yes, that happens.

Even if films show coaches what they want to see many use camps to evaluate more than just skills. They use them often times to see a kids make up and how they go about their business. The elite of the elite kids wouldn't usually benefit from such evaluations at all but those fringy type recruits benefit greatly from camps

 

[T-TownVol]

Like I said....you guys can come up with all the spin you want......these camps are not necessary for college recruiting as it exists today........if you think they are, you are ignorant of the subject.......not ignorant as a person, as Bruin seems to be chapped about......do you realize that you are saying that you know more about the "needs" of the colleges/athletes in recruiting than the NCAA does.......Have a Great Day

 

[BruinVol]

Like I said....you guys can come up with all the spin you want......these camps are not necessary for college recruiting as it exists today........if you think they are, you are ignorant of the subject.......not ignorant as a person, as Bruin seems to be chapped about......do you realize that you are saying that you know more about the "needs" of the colleges/athletes in recruiting than the NCAA does.......Have a Great Day

Satellite camps aren't necessary I agree but neither are nearly all recruiting Practices.

They do however eliminate some of the financial burden on many many kids. Yes they benefit some schools due to location but if it's open to all schools it should not matter IMO. The NCAA is supposed to make things a level playing field in recruiting all the while benefitting the student athlete. Satellite camps would accomplish both

 

[volfanCLT]

Haven't read through this thread so this may have already been said.

NCAA gets it wrong again. This hurts the potential student-athlete.

 

[BruinVol]

.....if you think they are, you are ignorant of the subject.......not ignorant as a person, as Bruin seems to be chapped about......

Perhaps you might want to edit your ignorant people post then

Now we know where Bruin is getting his talking points......ignorant people, about a subject, make ignorant arguments.......

 

[T-TownVol]

Satellite camps aren't necessary I agree....

I can recant the ignorance claim since you now agree with me.......:hi:

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Wth are you saying?

Of course it cost to go to camps because that's the NCAA rule. Let me help you see the difference.

Attend satellite camp in Florida:
100$ camp fee and 25$ gas to travel
125$ total


Attend camp in michigan:
$100 camp fee
$300Plane ticket not counting parent
$100 hotel
100$ rental car/ transportation
600$ total

Not a lot of football recruits can afford many 600$ trips to chase a dream

Rather disingenuous of you to say it's only going to cost $25 gas over a local camp's fees vs your assumed costs for away. Which are probably way low also.

At any rate, (double entendre intended) I absolutely disagree with the premise that satellite camps are intended for any other reason than to develop relationships with blue chip athletes, and if an under the radar kid gets some attention it's going to be more of a "Well! Wouldja look at that kid, huh?" type of situation.

All the defending of these camps, when there are plenty of schools within a days drive (say 400 miles/20mpg $2per gal= $40 gas (lets double that and say gas goes to $4) SO $80 + say another $40 food + camp fees = $120 + $280=$400 and say 4 camps $1,600 Make it $2000 for 4 camps-2 junior year-2 senior year... an easily doable thing when a family plans ahead for their kid who started showing promise in football. $2000 ÷ 48= save back $41 a month over his high school career. True for all but those in abject poverty. And there is nothing standing in the way of a kid from poverty conditions maning up and getting a scholarship at smaller schools. But, ... oh, ... that wouldn't be letting him follow his dream ...

 

[volfanCLT]

Rather disingenuous of you to say it's only going to cost $25 gas over a local camp's fees vs your assumed costs for away. Which are probably way low also.

At any rate, (double entendre intended) I absolutely disagree with the premise that satellite camps are intended for any other reason than to develop relationships with blue chip athletes, and if an under the radar kid gets some attention it's going to be more of a "Well! Wouldja look at that kid, huh?" type of situation.

All the defending of these camps, when there are plenty of schools within a days drive (say 400 miles/20mpg $2per gal= $40 gas (lets double that and say gas goes to $4) SO $80 + say another $40 food + camp fees = $120 + $280=$400 and say 4 camps $1,600 Make it $2000 for 4 camps-2 junior year-2 senior year... an easily doable thing when a family plans ahead for their kid who started showing promise in football. $2000 ÷ 48= save back $41 a month over his high school career. True for all but those in abject poverty. And there is nothing standing in the way of a kid from poverty conditions maning up and getting a scholarship at smaller schools. But, ... oh, ... that wouldn't be letting him follow his dream ...

Curious, what do you see as the positives for banning such camps? What good does this do for the perspective student athletes?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Curious, what do you see as the positives for banning such camps? What good does this do for the perspective student athletes?

With scads and scads of ways potential recruits have of getting their name in front of coaches, the satellite camps positively are not designed with the student athlete in mind. They absolutely are designed to put a particular LARGE university brand in front of a few blue chip athletes.

What good it does is keep those not on the radar from being used, financially as well as time spent and physical presence; as an excuse for the coaches to rub elbows with the one or two or three players they want to build "coach/recruit relationships" with. Well, 1 or 3 unless it's IMG Academy.

Google "List NCAA schools providing football scholarship"

The first thing you see are Ads for businesses "getting your name out there".

Eventually, maybe, we'll start to see some sort of 'combine' for the average high school scholarship worthy football players.
But saying these "satellite" camps are about them is a sham, and the way they're run doesn't justify using 2 & 3 star kids for rich athletic department coaches to cozy up to 4 and 5 stars.

 

[volfanCLT]

With scads and scads of ways potential recruits have of getting their name in front of coaches, the satellite camps positively are not designed with the student athlete in mind. They absolutely are designed to put a particular LARGE university brand in front of a few blue chip athletes.

What good it does is keep those not on the radar from being used, financially as well as time spent and physical presence; as an excuse for the coaches to rub elbows with the one or two or three players they want to build "coach/recruit relationships" with. Well, 1 or 3 unless it's IMG Academy.

Google "List NCAA schools providing football scholarship"

The first thing you see are Ads for businesses "getting your name out there".

Eventually, maybe, we'll start to see some sort of 'combine' for the average high school scholarship worthy football players.
But saying these "satellite" camps are about them is a sham, and the way they're run doesn't justify using 2 & 3 star kids for rich athletic department coaches to cozy up to 4 and 5 stars.

So, then, nothing positive for student athletes comes from this?

Your argument that "there are other ways to get your name out there" doesn't hold water.
Nobody is saying this is the only way to get noticed. To argue it isn't a major tool, though, is inaccurate.

It's a net negative for the athletes the NCAA supposedly is in business to help. (Just further proves how much of a sham they are)

 

[BruinVol]

Regardless of why satellite camps were created(most here seem to agree they were created to benefit the school willing to put forth the time and effort into having them including myself), the net result was many kids benefited financially.

The playing field was level where all schools could have them.

So the only thing the NCAA did here really was take away the fact that many kids benefited from this

 

[volfanCLT]

Regardless of why satellite camps were created(most here seem to agree they were created to benefit the school willing to put forth the time and effort into having them), the net result was many kids benefited financially.

The playing field was level where all schools could have them.

So the only thing the NCAA did here really was take away the fact that many kids benefited from this

There must be pigs flying because I agree with Bruin here.

Also, remember that many other coaches from smaller schools are in attendance at these camps. That is where most of the benefit comes from for the student-athlete.

 

[BruinVol]

There must be pigs flying because I agree with Bruin here.

Also, remember that many other coaches from smaller schools are in attendance at these camps. That is where most of the benefit comes from for the student-athlete.

Agreed for sure


Do most on campus camps employ smaller
School coaches to work as well?

 

[volfanCLT]

Agreed for sure


Do most on campus camps employ smaller
School coaches to work as well?

I know some do. Not sure if its the majority or what the percentage on something like that would be.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Regardless of why satellite camps were created(most here seem to agree they were created to benefit the school willing to put forth the time and effort into having them), the net result was many kids benefited financially.

The playing field was level where all schools could have them.

So the only thing the NCAA did here really was take away the fact that many kids benefited from this

Prove that "many kids benefitted financially" with real (not pulled out of thin air) reprducible through research, numbers. I don't believe it.

If anything, the recruiting playing field is tilted toward the big high dollah coach flyin in on his big high dollah jet and away from smaller private or state regional schools. Which in many instances are better able to offer a real education as well as college experience for the players and their family.

Arguing its about benefitting the little guy under the radar student/athlete is not realistic.

At the end of the day, big time university football coaches are among the highest salried in their respective states. They are paid to win. If they don't win they are fired. They sit around all day and awake at night dreaming up ways to improve their teams overall skill set, and the best way to do that is 4&5 star players ... naturals. They ARE NOT flying across they country hoping to find a diamond in the rough. They ARE targeting individuals. If some amazing kid comes to their camp and shows up the player(s) he's there to see, it'll be an accident.

 

[BruinVol]

Prove that "many kids benefitted financially" with real (not pulled out of thin air) reprducible through research, numbers. I don't believe it.


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Surely you understand that a trip that includes a flight is going to cost substantially more than a trip that is drivable and can be done without an over night stay?

Why on earth would I need to provide "real research" when common sense does that

 

[k-town_king]

Go to a closer camp. Problem solved. This doesn't hurt the kids. There are camps in every part of the country. Go to something you don't need to fly across the country for. These camps aren't to help kids period. Kids can go to any of the 100 other camps in their region.

 

[BruinVol]

At the end of the day, big time university football coaches are among the highest salried in their respective states. They are paid to win. If they don't win they are fired. They sit around all day and awake at night dreaming up ways to improve their teams overall skill set, and the best way to do that is 4&5 star players ... naturals. They ARE NOT flying across they country hoping to find a diamond in the rough. They ARE targeting individuals. If some amazing kid comes to their camp and shows up the player(s) he's there to see, it'll be an accident.

Ok what does that matter?

Those kids they are targeting can now get in front of Those coaches for a lesser cost. Sounds like exactly the point to me.

Coaches for years have been doing "shady"
Things to get face to face with recruits this was one way that at least made it possible to happen without 100$ handshakes for kids taking unofficial visits that weren't within the rules