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Grand Vol said:
You realize your link has nothing to do with your moronic quote? Those Iranians were killed during an accident and not terrorism.

I do wonder if you think we actually don't look at the links you post.
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As Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?" The fact is that they have done very little to hold themselves accountable and to address the problem. Nobody in The West even cares about this tragedy because I suppose we have gotten used to innocent Muslims dying at the hands of Saudis...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
As Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?" The fact is that they have done very little to hold themselves accountable and to address the problem. Nobody in The West even cares about this tragedy because I suppose we have gotten used to innocent Muslims dying at the hands of Saudis...
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Good lord, are you serious? This was basically a bunch of people that got trampled in a large crowd and you insist on attributing it to some sort of terroristic undertones.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
As Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?" The fact is that they have done very little to hold themselves accountable and to address the problem. Nobody in The West even cares about this tragedy because I suppose we have gotten used to innocent Muslims dying at the hands of Saudis...
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The difference being is your original moronic post doesn't jive with the article itself.

It happened to be in Saudi Arabia. Kinda obvious since that's where Mecca is and it's the Haj. The House of Saud had nothing to do with a bunch of people getting killed in an accident. And you really are stretching trying to prove a point that isn't there. And looking pretty dumb while doing it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
As Hillary would say, "What difference does it make?" The fact is that they have done very little to hold themselves accountable and to address the problem. Nobody in The West even cares about this tragedy because I suppose we have gotten used to innocent Muslims dying at the hands of Saudis...
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You dont do smart very well
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Good lord, are you serious? This was basically a bunch of people that got trampled in a large crowd and you insist on attributing it to some sort of terroristic undertones.
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It was negligence, not terrorism.

Again, what difference does it make? The blood is on their hands.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Here you go Ras. Educate yourself.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_during_the_Hajj
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Some notable incidents include:

July 2, 1990: A stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina and the Plains of Arafat led to the deaths of 1,426 pilgrims, many of them of Malaysian, Indonesian and Pakistani origin.[2][3]
May 23, 1994: A stampede killed at least 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the Devil ritual.
April 9, 1998: at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge.[4]
March 5, 2001: 35 pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede during the stoning of the Devil ritual.[5]
February 11, 2003: The stoning of the Devil ritual claimed 14 pilgrims' lives.[6]
February 1, 2004: 251 pilgrims were killed and another 244 injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.[7]
January 12, 2006: A stampede during the stoning of the Devil on the last day of the Hajj in Mina killed at least 346 pilgrims and injured at least 289 more. The incident occurred shortly after 13:00 local time, when a busload of travellers arrived together at the eastern access ramps to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal stampede. An estimated two million people were performing the ritual at the time.
September 24, 2015: More than 700 pilgrims were killed and another 863 injured during a stampede in the 2015 Hajj.[8]
Following the 2006 incident, the Jamaraat Bridge and the pillars representing Satan were demolished and reconstructed. A wider, multi-level bridge was built, and massive columns replaced the pillars themselves. Now, each level of the bridge allows easier and safer access to the columns representing Satan. The picture to the right shows a view of one level post-construction. It was taken the year after the 2006 incident. In addition, the stoning ceremony must be carried out according to pre-determined schedules to prevent over-crowding and the attendant risks. The Jamarat basin has been expanded from its current circular shape into an oval to allow better access to the pillars. The new arrangements provide for separate access and departure routes.[9]
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And you don't see a problem with this being a common occurrence? You just proved my point...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And you don't see a problem with this being a common occurrence? You just proved my point...
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A common occurrence there are stampedes? So crowds get out of control and somehow the Saudis are to blame?

Using your logic, the United States is responsible for the rioters you see after someone wins the Super Bowl or NBA Championship.
 
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So tell me Ras. How is the Saudi Governement supposed to perform crowd control on the 2,000,000 (estimated) strong crowds that arrive during the Hajj? You're obviously smarter than they are, please tell us how you would manage those numbers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Where is your compassion over the deaths of fellow human beings?
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Just what do you want me to do about it? Is it tragic? Yeah, I guess so, but you are trying to spin it into some sort of conspiracy or you want to ask for the heads of those in the Saudi gubbermint. That's laughable at best. If that were to occur in the USA, there would be 10,000 lawgators out there handing out business cards and suing everyone into submission. The next thing you have is a 30 foot fence around the rock which only allows those people to look at it from 50 feet away. So, until they take the safety of the patrons "seriously" this is going to happen over and over. And I really don't care, (just like people that text and drive and run into a tree... don't care about them either)


You can't fix stupid.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So tell me Ras. How is the Saudi Governement supposed to perform crowd control on the 2,000,000 (estimated) strong crowds that arrive during the Hajj? You're obviously smarter than they are, please tell us how you would manage those numbers.
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Encase the damned thing in a bunker and only allow viewing thru PPV. They could fund ll their terrorist activities that way easy breezy.
 
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Grand Vol said:
A common occurrence there are stampedes? So crowds get out of control and somehow the Saudis are to blame?

Using your logic, the United States is responsible for the rioters you see after someone wins the Super Bowl or NBA Championship.
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I think he's trolling at this point.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So tell me Ras. How is the Saudi Governement supposed to perform crowd control on the 2,000,000 (estimated) strong crowds that arrive during the Hajj? You're obviously smarter than they are, please tell us how you would manage those numbers.
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I don't know how. I have the luxury in this case of being on the sidelines and wondering how the Saudis can't seem to get it right after all of these years. They are the ones that should have skin in the game and have an incentive to make it safer. They are the ones with boots on the ground every year.

Lets not make it out to be like putting a man on the moon, however.


its funny, we criticized everyone from GWB to the mayor of New Orleans for not having an orderly evacuation plan after having a little less than a weeks notice of Katrina... a once in a lifetime event. Yet, you attack me and challenge me for suggesting that the Saudis should have a better handle on a thousand year old annual tradition.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Just what do you want me to do about it? Is it tragic? Yeah, I guess so, but you are trying to spin it into some sort of conspiracy or you want to ask for the heads of those in the Saudi gubbermint. That's laughable at best. If that were to occur in the USA, there would be 10,000 lawgators out there handing out business cards and suing everyone into submission. The next thing you have is a 30 foot fence around the rock which only allows those people to look at it from 50 feet away. So, until they take the safety of the patrons "seriously" this is going to happen over and over. And I really don't care, (just like people that text and drive and run into a tree... don't care about them either)


You can't fix stupid.
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Again, I'm saying negligence... not terrorism.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't know how. I have the luxury in this case of being on the sidelines and wondering how the Saudis can't seem to get it right after all of these years. They are the ones that should have skin in the game and have an incentive to make it safer. They are the ones with boots on the ground every year.

Lets not make it out to be like putting a man on the moon, however.


its funny, we criticized everyone from GWB to the mayor of New Orleans for not having an orderly evacuation plan after having a little less than a weeks notice of Katrina... a once in a lifetime event. Yet, you attack me and challenge me for suggesting that the Saudis should have a better handle on a thousand year old annual tradition.
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Have you ever read up on the Hajj? Do you even know what it is? Or what significance it has? Or how modern transportation has increased the numbers exponentially in the last fifty years?

Or are you just ignorant enough to jump to conclusions over everything.
 
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I've got a great idea. Make the Saudis give Mecca to the Iranians or Syrians. That'll teach 'em.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So tell me Ras. How is the Saudi Governement supposed to perform crowd control on the 2,000,000 (estimated) strong crowds that arrive during the Hajj? You're obviously smarter than they are, please tell us how you would manage those numbers.
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Ras would adopt the lottery system. If your number is drawn, you get to make one trip around the Rock and exit.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Have you ever read up on the Hajj? Do you even know what it is? Or what significance it has? Or how modern transportation has increased the numbers exponentially in the last fifty years?

Or are you just ignorant enough to jump to conclusions over everything.
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You didn't offer a solution, either.
 
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