'20 SC WR Jalin Hyatt (UT SIGNEE)

[secking]

You do realize there is no coaching savior waiting in the wings, right? If we turn on Pruitt and throw him in the Tennessee River after three seasons or so, the next guy will be forced to build it back up by recruiting the exact same way Pruitt is right now. Nobody is walking into Tennessee and landing top 5 classes right out of the gate anymore. I think we all just need to relax and enjoy.

It’s possible, UT is still a blue blood in the SEC. Butch had a top 5 class, even Dooley had a top 10.

 

[Jack Burton]

Clemson is recruiting whoever they want. Apparently Muschamp thought he was too small. I’ll ride with Pruitt and Tee

We need breaks like this to rebuild. Getting Bryce Thompson last year was another lucky break.

 

[vol2002]

It’s possible, UT is still a blue blood in the SEC. Butch had a top 5 class, even Dooley had a top 10.

Pruitt had a top 11 class. I agree you can still recruit big here. We have a decorated recruiting staff as it is. My only point is that it seems clear kids take a much stronger wait and see approach to Tennessee these days. We simply have to prove it on the field before we recruit at a truly elite level, like what UGA and Bama are doing.

Some fans still think the “right coach” will do that out of the gate. I don’t think our job is attractive enough at the moment to land that kind of coach. Again, gotta win and build depth. Takes time.

 

[tennvols77]

I think we have the right coach, although we got him through a situation of pure madness and luck, that might just turn out to be the biggest blessing we could have asked for. It might become Fulmer's greatest contribution to the program, maybe more so than winning a national championship. Time will tell.

 

[secking]

Pruitt had a top 11 class. I agree you can still recruit big here. We have a decorated recruiting staff as it is. My only point is that it seems clear kids take a much stronger wait and see approach to Tennessee these days. We simply have to prove it on the field before we recruit at a truly elite level, like what UGA and Bama are doing.

Some fans still think the “right coach” will do that out of the gate. I don’t think our job is attractive enough at the moment to land that kind of coach. Again, gotta win and build depth. Takes time.

I agree this year is huge, a bunch of guys are waiting to see TN on the field. Big improvement (and the 2nd year always is) and floodgates will open. I did pick a top 10 class for Pruitt last year and he missed on a few down the stretch. Go 8-4 or better this year, I bet he won’t miss much down the stretch, easily top 10 if they go 8-4 or better. Schedule is as easy as it will ever get, 4 cupcakes, just need to play 500 ball in the league.

Tradition, Big Name, Guaranteed early PT, SEC, great facilities. No reason not to have top 5/10 class this year or any year at UT.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

vq

What type of speed did Leonard Scott have?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

 

[chargervol]

Lots of Bama fans said the same thing about Shula.

My favorite "negavol" argument.

"There was another coach that failed so, therefore, better to never expect to win a game"

 

[butchna]

Lots of Bama fans said the same thing about Shula.

Nobody did. Why you making up stuff now?

 

[chargervol]

It’s possible, UT is still a blue blood in the SEC. Butch had a top 5 class, even Dooley had a top 10.

Posted this in another thread and I'll ask you.
Jones top 5 class - 30 commits, 1 5 star, 89.48 average.

Pruitt's 2019 class - only 23 commits, 2 - 5 stars, 90.49 average.

Every stat other than quantity says Pruitt brought in the better talent. You disagree?

 

[butchna]

My favorite "negavol" argument.

"There was another coach that failed so, therefore, better to never expect to win a game"

There may have been a TideBruin or TideLeb or TideCuzinGreazey posting something of that ilk on their boards...but no way did that BUNCH “mostly” say they couldn’t do better than Shula.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Posted this in another thread and I'll ask you.
Jones top 5 class - 30 commits, 1 5 star, 89.48 average.

Pruitt's 2019 class - only 23 commits, 2 - 5 stars, 90.49 average.

Every stat other than quantity says Pruitt brought in the better talent. You disagree?

And Pruitt did this without the help of the media that Smartt got. He also did not have the players that Smartt had. It will take longer than it did at GA unless he is an extraordinary coach. The better the recruits the faster it happens. But we don't have to have top 5 or top 10 classes for it to eventually happen.

 

[McGeesPub]

My favorite "negavol" argument.

"There was another coach that failed so, therefore, better to never expect to win a game"

Kind of like bizzaro Dabo. Using either to defend your position exclusively is an incomplete argument.

 

[drvenner]

Late to the party, but


BOOM!!!!!

 

[chargervol]

Kind of like bizzaro Dabo. Using either to defend your position exclusively is an incomplete argument.

I could agree with that. The only way I use Dabo as an argument is when someone implies that it has to happen immediately. He's the most known counter argument that it's not an absolute (could use Mullen at state, also) but is the less common recently.

But then some dumbarse always points to winning his division but completely ignores how few wins it took and the competition.
Was it 8 regular season games? Hell, Jones did that. No honest person would ever pretend he built them up quickly.

 

[jakez4ut]

No guarantees, but that doesn't mean you don't shoot for the stars. Look at all the posts about Jimbo negative recruiting us. The only reason he can pull that off is the credibility that his past success carries with recruits and thier families. I guarantee you the people at A&M factored that credibility into what they were willing to do to get Jimbo. Now Jimbo isn't Saban-level, probably never will be. But I'd rather have the guy who can turn recruits than the guy who has to beg 17 year-old kids to wait and see what we do on the field before writing us off completely.

@Kingston Vol bascially covered it. but you post this stuff as if it was an apples to apples and we just didn't do it, as if it was on purpose.......you leave all the context out of how we hired pruitt, and why.

and we weren't ever gonna pony up $10m a year for a coach, unless you believe the gruden stuff really ever got to the point that he had an offer in hand and was in decision making mode. and assume that did happen........we were willing to do it, and the guy said no.....

and aside from Jimbo, there weren't any championship caliber coaches out there either available or willing to come here.

it's like we forget that whole two weeks in November when we saw what our admin was really capable of behind the scenes, and what every other coach that was offered the job really thought of it.........

siap yesterday.....you can't have a two years like we've had, have the roster defficiencies we've had and still have btw, and expect miracles.

this is, and was always gonna be, a slower rebuild, unless you hit the nail on the head with a couple top 5 classes with a load of instant impact players.

past that, the players coming in will need development, to go along with the blue chips they do bring in. so get to the end of year 4 and see what it looks like. the only thing that matters at this point is direction. as long as it's still moving in the right direction, it is what it is. if it falls on it's face again, well we know what that looks like too and will act accordingly.

it will all literally take care of itself, one way or the other.

i still see zero reason to panic or shut it down and start over lol. get this season started, and let's see what happens.

 

[SweetasSoda]

@Kingston Vol bascially covered it. but you post this stuff as if it was an apples to apples and we just didn't do it, as if it was on purpose.......you leave all the context out of how we hired pruitt, and why.

and we weren't ever gonna pony up $10m a year for a coach, unless you believe the gruden stuff really ever got to the point that he had an offer in hand and was in decision making mode. and assume that did happen........we were willing to do it, and the guy said no.....

and aside from Jimbo, there weren't any championship caliber coaches out there either available or willing to come here.

it's like we forget that whole two weeks in November when we saw what our admin was really capable of behind the scenes, and what every other coach that was offered the job really thought of it.........

siap yesterday.....you can't have a two years like we've had, have the roster defficiencies we've had and still have btw, and expect miracles.

this is, and was always gonna be, a slower rebuild, unless you hit the nail on the head with a couple top 5 classes with a load of instant impact players.

past that, the players coming in will need development, to go along with the blue chips they do bring in. so get to the end of year 4 and see what it looks like. the only thing that matters at this point is direction. as long as it's still moving in the right direction, it is what it is. if it falls on it's face again, well we know what that looks like two and will act accordingly.

it will all literally take care of itself, one way or the other.

i still see zero reason to panic or shut it down and start over lol. get this season started, and let's see what happens.

By your post I am assuming some idiot I have on ignore is saying we need to start over...

 

[chargervol]

@Kingston Vol bascially covered it. but you post this stuff as if it was an apples to apples and we just didn't do it, as if it was on purpose.......you leave all the context out of how we hired pruitt, and why.

and we weren't ever gonna pony up $10m a year for a coach, unless you believe the gruden stuff really ever got to the point that he had an offer in hand and was in decision making mode. and assume that did happen........we were willing to do it, and the guy said no.....

and aside from Jimbo, there weren't any championship caliber coaches out there either available or willing to come here.

it's like we forget that whole two weeks in November when we saw what our admin was really capable of behind the scenes, and what every other coach that was offered the job really thought of it.........

siap yesterday.....you can't have a two years like we've had, have the roster defficiencies we've had and still have btw, and expect miracles.

this is, and was always gonna be, a slower rebuild, unless you hit the nail on the head with a couple top 5 classes with a load of instant impact players.

past that, the players coming in will need development, to go along with the blue chips they do bring in. so get to the end of year 4 and see what it looks like. the only thing that matters at this point is direction. as long as it's still moving in the right direction, it is what it is. if it falls on it's face again, well we know what that looks like two and will act accordingly.

it will all literally take care of itself, one way or the other.

i still see zero reason to panic or shut it down and start over lol. get this season started, and let's see what happens.

Post can't receive enough likes.
The "why didn't we just start dating the unavailable, married supermodel, that was going to make our dreams all come true" argument is silly. It's been proven time and again that just flashing monopoly money, doesn't make coaches leave where they want to be.

Jimbo and even Mullen knew exactly where they wanted to go also. Ga, Texas and on and on, were way better off than us financially and none of them landed the mythical unicorn "proven champion".
It's a childish fantasy.

 

[jakez4ut]

Post can't receive enough likes.
The "why didn't we just start dating the unavailable, married supermodel, that was going to make our dreams all come true" argument is silly. It's been proven time and again that just flashing monopoly money, doesn't make coaches leave where they want to be.

Jimbo and even Mullen knew exactly where they wanted to go also. Ga, Texas and on and on, were way better off than us financially and none of them landed the mythical unicorn "proven champion".
It's a childish fantasy.

you mean you didn't marry a supermodel either? damn, i thought i was the only one doing it wrong.

-VHB, probably.

 

[drvenner]

Careful about that Negavol label. I'm pretty sure I've seen you called one before concerning JG.

Negavol - a UT fan who has a differ opinion than mine

Not quite. A negavol is one rarely has anything positive to say about the program or its players. You fit quite nicely within that definition.

 

[drvenner]

Everything you posted is true.....on the other hand the program has been in the gutter for so long and many false hopes shattered....the BVS is real and fans have heard all the positive spin before. Pruitt and Co, in a sense, has got to give something to the fans that gives them real hope. Most negativity will decline imo when Vols beat everyone they are suppose to beat and compete against the best.

This is the the thing. We are always on to the next one. The only ones the negavols will bring up are the ones that fit their narrative. If this guy performs well, then you will likely not ever hear from them about him again. To be fair, sunshine pumpers, such as myself, will also rarely comment again on the ones that do not come in and help us.

 

[drvenner]

Lots of Bama fans said the same thing about Shula.

That is only one example where it has worked out well. There are many, many more where coaches were let go too soon and the guy they brought in after only exacerbated the problem.

 

[jakez4ut]

That is only one example where it has worked out well. There are many, many more where coaches were let go too soon and the guy they brought in after only exacerbated the problem.

GA fired Richt after a 9 win season and a career of "success". just sayin'.

in a perfect world, we should have fired Jones after the Vandy game in 16.

 

[LA Vol]

You know what would have made an astronomical difference in UT's last decade of coach hiring? Not expecting idiots who didn't give a sh!t to control the hiring.

Idiots who didn't care hiring idiots who couldn't coach = school that doesn't win

 

[Rishvol]

You know what would have made an astronomical difference in UT's last decade of coach hiring? Not expecting idiots who didn't give a sh!t to control the hiring.

Idiots who didn't care hiring idiots who couldn't coach = school that doesn't win

Put some Bailey's in your coffee did you?