Scholar of the Week: A New Politics Forum Tradition, This Week: Volinbham

#27
#27
Life during the "Tommy Gallion" days were very difficult.

For the most part - it's a fine place. The obsession with Bama football and football in general is unlike anything I've ever seen.

Fortunately, we've been mostly winning since I've been here!
 
#28
#28
Do you have a desire to practice your marketing skills in a for profit organization or will you be happy to always be a professor?
 
#29
#29
Right now, professor is the way to go for me. I'm involved with companies via some of our programs (mostly technology start-ups) so I get my fix from that.

I detest managing people so if I were in a corp. it would need to be an analytical/internal consultant role.
 
#30
#30
volinbham said:
Of the original $30 - the house has $25, the salesmen have $3 (collectively) and the hop has $2.

The salesmen put in $27 - $25 to the house and $2 to the hop.
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Doesn't work. That means the guys each paid $9 (total is $27). You cannot dispute that, its a fact, right?

And the bellhop has the other two, that's $29.
 
#31
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lawgator1 said:
Doesn't work. That means the guys each paid $9 (total is $27). You cannot dispute that, its a fact, right?

And the bellhop has the other two, that's $29.
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No....the salesmen ending up paying $27 for a $25 room. The bellhop made $2 of the transaction.

Original price for the hotel room: $30
Salesmen pay: 10x3 = $30
Manager discount: $5
New price of room: 30 - 5 = $25
Salesmen get back: 3x1 = $3
Final Price Salesmen Paid: 30-3 = $27
Bellhop profit: 5-3 = $2

Out = In
Final Amount Salesman Paid = Final Price of Hotel Room + Final Bellhop Profit
$27 = $25 + $2

or as a sort of no-numbers proof

Final Amount Salesmen Paid = Final Price of Hotel Room + Final Bellhop Profit

(Original Amount Salesman Paid - Discount Given to Salesmen) = (Original Price of Hotel Room - Total Discount) + (Total Discount - Discount Given to Salesmen)

zeroing out terms that appear twice, once as negative and once as postiive gives....

Orignial Amount Salesmen Paid = Original Price of Hotel Room

Last statement is true, substitutions are true, therefore first statement is true. There is no missing money.
 
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#32
I can see your point that there is an apparent lack of money..but unless I made an error in logic in the final proof...there seems to be no missing money.

The salesmen did pay 9 each...so that is 27. The bellhop also has 2 dollars...but you can't look at that like "the other two." Essentially, the salesmen paid $27, the manager gained $30 and then lost $5, and the bellhop made $2. That adds up to $30. The "missing" dollar only appears if you mistakenly try to add 27 and 2 together, assuming that is the only money. You can't do that kind of balance unless you also factor in the money exchanged/made by the manager.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Doesn't work. That means the guys each paid $9 (total is $27). You cannot dispute that, its a fact, right?

And the bellhop has the other two, that's $29.
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The total amount contributed by the salesmen is $27. $25 to the hotel and $2 to the bellhop.

Another way to look at it that there was a $5 refund of which $2 went to the hop - $27 total.
 
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#34
Doesn't work. That means the guys each paid $9 (total is $27). You cannot dispute that, its a fact, right?

And the bellhop has the other two, that's $29.
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The "other two" in your example is the difference between what the salesmen paid and what amount went to the house. You are double adding the "2" and therefore of all the numbers in the scenario, the $29 is the one that is fictitious.
 
#35
#35
volinbham said:
When you say "Hat, who is your favorite writer?" I'm guessing you mean me :p

Anyhoo.

Favorite writer is Charles Bukowski followed closely by John Steinbeck.

Favorite book is Post Office by Bukowski; favorite story is Tortilla Flat by Steinbeck.

My experiences at the VN have shown me that an online community can be a real community. It has also shown me the power of a common connection (Vols sports) and how that is enough to bring a very diverse group of people together.

Can't help with the Andy Griffith stuff - I know there are windows on the wall with the front door (on the side with Andy's desk) and I believe on the wall behind his desk (venetian blinds).
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Hat, you jerk!

:thumbsup:
 
#37
#37
What is one thing that you believe is untrue but you believe has the likelihood of actually being true and why?
 
#38
#38
OrangeEmpire said:
Could you explain how you are able to test drive really expensive cars?
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Go to the dealer with some knowledge about the particular car I'm interested in. Ask to look at it. Ask questions demonstrating I know quite a bit about the car and presto - the salesman is asking me if I want to take it for a spin.
 
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#39
OrangeEmpire said:
What is one thing that you believe is untrue but you believe has the likelihood of actually being true and why?
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I go with the whole idea of Area 51 and UFO's (at least some) being real.

The number of sightings by pilots seems to be high and pretty consistent for it to merely be military balloons or weather phenomena. Also, I think it's highly likely that intelligent life exists in the universe - the big question is why visit us?
 
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volinbham said:
The "other two" in your example is the difference between what the salesmen paid and what amount went to the house. You are double adding the "2" and therefore of all the numbers in the scenario, the $29 is the one that is fictitious.
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Can you agree that each guy ended up paying $9?

Can you agree that the bellhop has $2?

Can you agree that it adds up to $29?

The reason it does not work when calculated this way is some sort of mathematics law about multiplying across a negative. I don't understand it.
 
#44
#44
lawgator1 said:
Can you agree that each guy ended up paying $9?

Can you agree that the bellhop has $2?

Can you agree that it adds up to $29?

The reason it does not work when calculated this way is some sort of mathematics law about multiplying across a negative. I don't understand it.
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I hope you are a better lawyer than calculator :)
 
#46
#46
lawgator1 said:
Can you agree that each guy ended up paying $9?

Can you agree that the bellhop has $2?

Can you agree that it adds up to $29?

The reason it does not work when calculated this way is some sort of mathematics law about multiplying across a negative. I don't understand it.
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Nothing about multiplying across a negative. The reason it doesn't work is because it's not a logical calculation. You're thinking of it in terms of what the men started out paying ($30) instead of what the hotel actually received ($25).

The bellhop's portion is irrelevant - it should be considered part of the hotel's take, which is $27.

If you want to consider the bellhop's portion you have to subtract it from $27 to get to $25, not add it to $27 to get to $29.
 
#48
#48
volsgal03 said:
volinbham I dont know too much about you so a basic question Were you born in Tennessee?
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Actually I was born where you are now - Pittsburgh (McKeesport technically). My family is all from Pburgh and surrounding area but we moved to Knoxville when I was 5. Most of my family has since moved from PA.
 
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#49
wbarron said:
Nothing about multiplying across a negative. The reason it doesn't work is because it's not a logical calculation. You're thinking of it in terms of what the men started out paying ($30) instead of what the hotel actually received ($25).

The bellhop's portion is irrelevant - it should be considered part of the hotel's take, which is $27.

If you want to consider the bellhop's portion you have to subtract it from $27 to get to $25, not add it to $27 to get to $29.
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That's what I've been trying to tell him! :crazy:
 
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