Science and Religion: Creationism/Evolution Thread

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No matter if your beliefs are faith based or scientific based, if people would stop worrying about what they can't control and focus on living life to its fullest, the world would be a much better place. Everyone is too focused on proving people wrong and being right themselves, and I struggle with both as well. I'm firmly planted in a faith/God based belief system, and there is NO ONE who is going to change my mind on that. I believe God created everything, and his natural laws control what is going on in this world, good and bad.
 
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It's all "live and let live," up until it isn't. Eventually it's prayer in schools, creationism in science class, etc. etc.
 
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IPorange said:
It's all "live and let live," up until it isn't. Eventually it's prayer in schools, creationism in science class, etc. etc.
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There is no separation of Church and State. Never has been in the constitution, and never will be. The only thing that is in the Constitution about religion is that the Federal Government can't name a federal religion, other than that, everything is fair game. Any religious person can pray in school without any repercussions.
 
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I do want to know WHY people are SOOOO bothered by creationism being taught?? I say that HS should have two classes for that and be done with it. If people can't handle God, then that's their problem. Christians shouldn't be made to accept that they have to have their faith put aside in the name of science.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I do want to know WHY people are SOOOO bothered by creationism being taught?? I say that HS should have two classes for that and be done with it. If people can't handle God, then that's their problem. Christians shouldn't be made to accept that they have to have their faith put aside in the name of science.
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because to teach it you have to teach a religion. Whose version of how the world came to be are you going to choose? You ok if the Muslim version is taught?

Plus it would be a very short class (maybe 6 days long).
 
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Guess we better start teaching Norse Paganism and Kemetic Orthodoxy in biology as well.
 
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utvolpj said:
because to teach it you have to teach a religion. Whose version of how the world came to be are you going to choose? You ok if the Muslim version is taught?

Plus it would be a very short class (maybe 6 days long).
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Also, the kids that aren't Christian could be excused from school and go do something else. Christianity is still the biggest area of faith in the US.
 
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I say we just don't teach anything in school in regards to Creationism/Evolution. Biggest reason is that people change over the course of time, and honestly it's a waste of time in school anyways. If schools would learn to actually teach things that people will put to use on a daily basis, and cut the things that people will form an opinion on much later in life, our kids might actually learn something.
 
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ridethelightening said:
As I said earlier, almost all of man's earliest writings refer to one
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OrangeEmpire said:
Really, you don't buy into the theory that it flooded around 5,600 bc?

Are you arguing against the suddiness and magnitude, or that it didn't happen at all?
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unfortunately they all do in different areas.....at different time periods....with different specific people being chosen to be saved of be the future generations

Babylon's Enûma Eliš comes before the judeo-christian testaments and refers to a big flood, but long before the Genesis one

unfortunately, it was a common thing among many ancient cultures - the story of a great flood - in the same sense of a main deity killing a leviathan snake-like monster (Zeus did, middle eastern deities did as did ancient babylon,....unfortunately, it does happens in Genesis (God fights Leviathon) but it's really kinda out of place since those works go out of the way to point out that (1) there's nothing really supernatural in the world upon creation and (2) there's no other deities or monsters post creation with powers either near or rivaling God's
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Also, the kids that aren't Christian could be excused from school and go do something else. Christianity is still the biggest area of faith in the US.
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sounds like a class that could easily be taught on Sundays then.

if may be the biggest area but teaching a certain religion in a public school is getting very close to endorsing it The thing about Chrisitans and schooling is that they automatically assume it's their religion that's going to be taught. Are they still ok if it's not theirs when the students open the textbook?
 
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The argument for prayer in schools and creationism in schools drive me nuts. As a christian, I would be more worried about your neighbors than textbooks.
 
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Really? From these threads, it's been painfully clear that 80 % of people don't have the first clue about biology or evolution, and base their opinions on it from misconceptions and rumors. Seems to me that it needs to be taught.
 
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IPorange said:
Really? From these threads, it's been painfully clear that 80 % of people don't have the first clue about biology or evolution, and base their opinions on it from misconceptions and rumors. Seems to me that it needs to be taught.
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Maybe they don't want a clue, kinda like others don't want a clue on creationism. Works both ways.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Which is honestly one of the biggest wastes of time in HS classes. Biology shouldn't be taught, except to those who are prepping for the field, IMO. Everyone else could care less.
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history? old news
chemistry? only make more meth heads
math? add, subtract, multiply, divide. What else is there?
english? omg r u srs?

heck let's just eliminate HS altogether
 
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I have to admit that when I attempted to do algebra all I saw were letters mashed together.

It got worse when the teacher told us we could use it on the practical level of doing groceries.
 
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I don't care if creationism...any flavor (ie religion) of it...or its bastard child intelligent design is taught in schools. Just keep it out of the science classroom and we're good. It has no business there. Science classes are meant for, you know, science. Say what you want about what you believe and how you came to believe it but creationism or ID simply aren't alternative theories with any kind of scientific backing.

Have at it if you want to discuss it in a theology or philosophy class.
 
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IPorange said:
Really? From these threads, it's been painfully clear that 80 % of people don't have the first clue about biology or evolution, and base their opinions on it from misconceptions and rumors. Seems to me that it needs to be taught.
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To steal a line from T-Town:

Thank you.
 
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utvolpj said:
history? old news
chemistry? only make more meth heads
math? add, subtract, multiply, divide. What else is there?
english? omg r u srs?

heck let's just eliminate HS altogether
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It's all lies and indoctrination. Teach me to read and give me a Bible. Everything I ever wanted to know about the universe is solved after that. :crazy:
 
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