Science and Religion: Creationism/Evolution Thread

#501
#501
Anyone who does not understand and teach salvation by grace alone is not experiencing the peace God intends for him or her to have because they themselves are not placing one hundred percent of their trust in Christ and Christ only.

Does salvation by grace mean there are no consequences for sin in case one abuses grace out of ignorance regarding its full meaning and thereby chooses to live like the devil? Absolutely not! While believers will not lose their gifts of eternal life, justification, righteousness or glorification, they will, however, miss out on receiving rewards in a big way come judgment day. The choice is left to us. There are serious consequences for continuing to live in sin. I cannot emphasize this enough. But one need not have any fear of losing their salvation and going to Hell because of their continued sin. The loss will be in the form of missing out on rewards not in regards to one's salvation.
 
#502
#502
OrangeEmpire said:
Anyone who does not understand and teach salvation by grace alone is not experiencing the peace God intends for him or her to have because they themselves are not placing one hundred percent of their trust in Christ and Christ only.

Does salvation by grace mean there are no consequences for sin in case one abuses grace out of ignorance regarding its full meaning and thereby chooses to live like the devil? Absolutely not! While believers will not lose their gifts of eternal life, justification, righteousness or glorification, they will, however, miss out on receiving rewards in a big way come judgment day. The choice is left to us. There are serious consequences for continuing to live in sin. I cannot emphasize this enough. But one need not have any fear of losing their salvation and going to Hell because of their continued sin. The loss will be in the form of missing out on rewards not in regards to one's salvation.
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I'm sorry, but can you point out the Bible versus for this
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#504
#504
tri_vol said:
The reason for the differences is that each account approaches from a different angle, at different times and written for different people. For example Mark was written primarily for Gentiles. He would include details that a Gentile would need to know. Other writers wrote for the Jews. They would exclude certain things because it was common knowledge and be redundant to include.

The remarkable thing is that the last gospel (John) was written over 60 years after Jesus died. Yet none of them contradict each other. I would challenge anyone to find 4 biographies written about a single person at different times to have the harmony that the Gospels do.
Add to the fact that staticians have calculated that the odds of one man randomly fulfilling every prophecy foretold about Christ would be equal to covering the state of Texas with quarters 2 ft deep and then picking out the right one. You can choose not to believe but there is a lot of physical evidence to the contrary. Its not just blind faith.
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I bet the staticians didn't factor in that every miracle attributed to Jesus...to the very last one...were already in existence in folklore of the near east at the time. What's more probable, that Jesus healed the leper, brought back lazerus, was born of a virgin, resurrected after three days...and on...and on....or that they were inserted after the fact to appeal to masses for purposes of conversion?

I actually like the Bible. It isn't a bad read and there is some very worthwhile lessons in it. It has historical validity to it. I can even respect Jesus and his message. He had some important things to say about social justice and compassion. But the miracles and divinity stuff I find absolutely bogus. In all liklihood, Jesus was an important social revolutionary that openly challenged the Jewish establishment and Roman authority, and that is why he was killed. All the miracle stuff and son of God claims, even if he really believed it, is plagiarized nonsense from other popular myths at the time.
 
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#505
rjd970 said:
I bet the staticians didn't factor in that every miracle attributed to Jesus...to the very last one...were already in existence in folklore of the near east at the time. What's more probable, that Jesus healed the leper, brought back lazerus, was born of a virgin, resurrected after three days...and on...and on....or that they were inserted after the fact to appeal to masses for purposes of conversion?

I actually like the Bible. It isn't a bad read and there is some very worthwhile lessons in it. It has historical validity to it. I can even respect Jesus and his message. He had some important things to say about social justice and compassion. But the miracles and divinity stuff I find absolutely bogus. In all liklihood, Jesus was an important social revolutionary that openly challenged the Jewish establishment and Roman authority, and that is why he was killed. All the miracle stuff and son of God claims, even if he really believed it, is plagiarized nonsense from other popular myths at the time.
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Good luck. No man is forced to believe. If you have read the Bible and are comfortable with your life, may God bless you
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#508
#508
At my church it is Starbucks and Krispy Kremes. We are too big for the ole fashion Pot Luck dinner. Our Chef would quit.
 
#511
#511
BeecherVol said:
Ya'll got a chef?
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Best church in ATL...best schools in GA......everything that my wife and kids need to do or get to is within a 5 mile radius......nope we are good where we are

Yes....we have a chef......he does lunch everyday for a staff of 150 and Wednesday night dinner for 3,000....not to mention all the special events and dinners for different groups at the church
 
#513
#513
T-TownVol said:
Best church in ATL...best schools in GA......everything that my wife and kids need to do or get to is within a 5 mile radius......nope we are good where we are

Yes....we have a chef......he does lunch everyday for a staff of 150 and Wednesday night dinner for 3,000....not to mention all the special events and dinners for different groups at the church
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But can the chef make homemade Nanner Puddin' like your granny? Not that so called Banana Pudding made from a mix. The real stuff!!!!:)
 
#514
#514
T-TownVol said:
Best church in ATL...best schools in GA......everything that my wife and kids need to do or get to is within a 5 mile radius......nope we are good where we are

Yes....we have a chef......he does lunch everyday for a staff of 150 and Wednesday night dinner for 3,000....not to mention all the special events and dinners for different groups at the church
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What church T-Town? Just curious... I usually go to Northpoint in Alpharetta but also hang out at Perimeter in Duluth.
 
#515
#515
Oldvol75 said:
But can the chef make homemade Nanner Puddin' like your granny? Not that so called Banana Pudding made from a mix. The real stuff!!!!:)
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Theres an older lady at our church that used to fix it every homecoming. She made enough for 3000.:yes:

Tasty!
 
#520
#520
BeecherVol said:
Theres an older lady at our church that used to fix it every homecoming. She made enough for 3000.:yes:

Tasty!
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We have one at our church thats makes a great nanner puddin! She the reason when we have a dinner I always start at the desert table!!!!!
 
#524
#524
IPorange said:
It's ridiculous to imply that Christianity isn't based on faith. There is not any physical evidence of the relevant question of the divine.
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Christianity is based on faith but not blind faith. Anyone who believes something without proof, religious or not, is an idiot. True faith could be likened to the sub-flooring in a house. You can't see it but you trust that its there. Why? Because you can follow a chain of events or standards that gives you confidence the house was built to code. If the house looks dilapidated then your faith isn't as strong.

So can you logically test for a creator? Yes. It is completely logical to accept that every inanimate, inorganic thing we see has a designer and was created (i.e. bridges, cars, forks, watches, etc.) So wouldn't the logical conclusion be that animate, organic objects which are far more complex also require a designer and creator.

How does traffic move through a city? A planner creates roadways, intersections, etc. Without the planner, there is chaos. If a traffic system requires a designer how can we assume that planets moving at millions of mph not only do not collide on a regular basis but move at precise and predictable speeds all of the time.

These are just two examples of hundreds if you want more I can give them.
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#525
#525
casserole... dessert.. repeat.. :salute:
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