Scott Frost

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tnutater said:
True that.
You are not a success unless you have a winning conference record.
In his time at UT, I doubt New Coach will ever have one.
It is unlikely he ever has a QB with Luck's talent.

I can't see Frost making it to the end of year 4, even with his favorite son status.
Nebraska will follow our lead and fire with cause. There is too much smoke around for there not to be fire. The Big is nothing if not conservative. If all the members had illegal practices he might be safe. I doubt that. Then there is recruiting...... do they pay in empty corn sacks filled with dollar bills or use envelopes and fast food containers like everyone else?
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When Osborne was there they juiced up the OL with droids
 
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OrangeRaid Vol #1 said:
Does this mean the UCF high speed offense does not translate well to power 5 conferences???
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As explained very well by another poster, there is no such thing as UCF offense. Frost brought an offense with him. So did Heupel.

Frost's offense paid off for him a few years ago, just like it did for his mentor at Oregon. And it's let him down later, again just like his mentor, because it is a heavily player dependent system. You don't have or cannot recruit the right players for it, you'll never have a chance to be successful. It works in places in times when there's the right mixture of specific talent and systems.

Personally, and I assume there's some orange tint to this, I'm hopeful that Josh's system will do well in this place and time. Is it feasible long-term? I really don't know. I suspect not in the SEC.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Using that (loose) definition, Pruitt was successful as a HC at UT.
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One season. By modern Vol standards it was a successful season.
VN went cra-cra with visions of the General dancing in our head.
Body of work... Last Coach did not have a winning conference record.
 
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tnutater said:
And just like bama paying players, they were the only ones doing that.
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I'm sure they were not the only ones doing roids, but supposedly they were on the leading edge of it. I kind of doubt everyone was doing roids in the 70s and 80s.

Their S&C program had legit benefits too - for one, not everybody had a bonafide, structured S&C program in those days. I mean yeah, guys lifted weights, but Nebraska I think was one of the first schools to hire a coach specifically for S&C and put a lot of structure and organization around it. In the 80s and 90s their weight room and such was also light years ahead of everybody else's and recruits were wowed when they showed up and saw it. Tennessee was a big beneficiary of that as well, now everybody has awesome facilities.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
If these rumors are true, Scott Frost is an even dumber person than he is coach. On top of the fact that he maybe having an affair, he left Orlando to go screw up his marriage with some chicks in Lincoln? Brilliant
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Perhaps he recalled all the young tenderonies lining up for him during his playing days.
I never enjoy seeing a family destroyed when a child is involved.
 
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99gator said:
The problem is….

A. It’s his job to make the Qb not awful.

And

B. If he can’t do that, recruit another Qb who isn’t awful
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In that case I’ll hold Frost accountable for B.

I’m not sure if there’s a coach alive who can make Martinez not awful.
 
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Zues1 said:
No offense will last forever, even Spurrier knew that.
Wishbone, flex bone, west coast, no huddle, run and shoot, chuck n duck. Some will get that last one.
You have to be able to make changes and adapt.
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There is no doubt you have to adapt to the current rules. Targeting regulations opened the middle of the field. Changed the entire game of college football.
 
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Doesn't make his infidelity acceptable, if true, but one has to think why you need a post game coaches "meeting" at a bar after every home game. Win or lose. If that never crossed her mind....
 
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That is a leaking ship with no water pump. If all allegations are true, he never separated himself as coach/CEO from the boys.
 
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GVF said:
Doesn't make his infidelity acceptable, if true, but one has to think why you need a post game coaches "meeting" at a bar after every home game. Win or lose. If that never crossed her mind....
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It wouldn't surprise me if what is being said in that thread is totally fabricated, especially the part about Frost and all the coaches going to a bar right by the stadium right after home games and then leaving with women. There's no way they are that stupid.
 
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05_never_again said:
It wouldn't surprise me if what is being said in that thread is totally fabricated, especially the part about Frost and all the coaches going to a bar right by the stadium right after home games and then leaving with women. There's no way they are that stupid.
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One would hope you hired a coach smarter than that, but we have good, recent examples of coaches that weren't. The Kiff, Freeze come to mind.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Heupel's offense resulted in a 2-6, and a 4-4 conference record while he was OC at Missouri.
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Wins and losses don't tell the full tale here. The offense he took over was ranked 125. Where was it ranked when he left for a HC job?

Your stats implies he failed. Missouri's head coach failed. He did his job.
 
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Hairy Vols said:
Wins and losses don't tell the full tale here. The offense he took over was ranked 125. Where was it ranked when he left for a HC job?

Your stats implies he failed. Missouri's head coach failed. He did his job.
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I didn't imply anything, just posted the stats. You can talk about the ranking all day long, but if it doesn't result in a winning record, then what's the point?

The only teams that offense scored points on where the terrible SEC teams Missouri played, and the OOC pushovers on their schedule.

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It's not hard to get a decent ranking for your offense if you are padding stats by running up ~70 points on the likes of Missouri State and Idaho, but against SEC competition, it was average to subpar at best except against the dregs of the conference that year.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I didn't imply anything, just posted the stats. You can talk about the ranking all day long, but if it doesn't result in a winning record, then what's the point?

The only team that offense scored points on where the terrible SEC teams Missouri played, and the OOC pushovers on their schedule.

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It's not hard to get a decent ranking for your offense if you are padding stats by running up ~70 points on the likes of Missouri State and Idaho, but against SEC competition, it was average to subpar at best except against the dregs of the conference that year.
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One of my biggest pet peeves with stats is when people trot out the "they were 12th in the country in PPG" and stuff like that. This isn't the NFL where you have a relatively small number of relatively even matched teams.

Those national rankings of stats like PPG, total offense, etc. can easily get padded in college by rolling up tons of points and yards against garbage teams, which most schools are going to play 3-5 of those kinds of games per year. It totally skews the average and is not factoring in SoS at all.

If people want to pump up Heupel, I personally wouldn't talk about his Mizzou offensive stats.
 
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