SEC Big Ten Challenge

#76
#76
I actually think Western Carolina is pretty darn good.

I agree that RPI is not that important at this part of the year which is why seeding does not occur until March and RPI is just a factor (being 1 in RPI did not help us get a great seed).

I do think that early season results have been much worse for the Big 10 than almost anyone could have predicted. Minnesota, Indiana etc. Ohio State can reasonably blame the Evan Turner situation, but Miss State is missing a similar talent.

Emain I updated the SEC OOC post. By Jan 5 the conference will be done with big OOC games aside from us with Kansas and we should have a very good idea of where we stack up as a conference against the rest. I am hoping for 3 but if we ended up at 5 I would admit that I was wrong and everyone else who said 5 (including Vitale) was right.
I do think it is unlikely no matter what happens that certain posters on this site would admit I was right, even if the Big 10 completely fell apart. These are probably the same people who think that there is a case to be made for Lawrence Frank and Musselman. ahahahahahahhahahaahh Those coaching candidates for UT is like going into a big pot with 7 2 unsuited.
 
#77
#77
Yeah, because coaches without much success in pro leagues can never have any sort of success in college. Good thing Mike Hamilton thinks like that.
 
#78
#78
emainvol said:
Yeah, because coaches without much success in pro leagues can never have any sort of success in college. Good thing Mike Hamilton thinks like that.
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How about coaches without much success in college or the pros are unlikely to set the world on fire and be top 25 college basketball coaches.

That does sum up what I think pretty nicely.

Lon Kruger and Rick Pitino are both examples I cited prior to them being brought up to prove a point I agree with. Lack of success in the pros does not mean you will not succeed in college. Both men had tremendous success before they left.

Coaching a CBA team to glory is not a good indicator of anything to me.
 
#82
#82
BPV why would it be? I think both are NCAA teams, and so it is nice for in conference wins against out of conference foes who will be able to get into the NCAAs in all likelihood without winning their conference.

Also South Carolina was missing two starters. They should get them back before the season is over and be quite good.
 
#84
#84
MikeHamiltonFan said:
BPV why would it be? I think both are NCAA teams, and so it is nice for in conference wins against out of conference foes who will be able to get into the NCAAs in all likelihood without winning their conference.

Also South Carolina was missing two starters. They should get them back before the season is over and be quite good.
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How are UTEP and Richmond going to make the dance?
 
#85
#85
BigPapaVol said:
How are UTEP and Richmond going to make the dance?
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RICHMOND OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE - Men's Basketball

By playing well in the A10. With good wins OOC against Missouri and Miss. State.

The miners of UTEP have these guys who all look very good:

03 Culpepper, Randy... 01 Moultrie, Arnett...
05 Stone, Julyan...... 04 Caracter, Derrick..

If they can keep up the high level of play they just displayed in the loss to Ole Miss they should be able to make it.

They may not be able to hang with Oklahoma coming up, but Air Force, BYU, Texas Tech all are winnable games and in conference USA they could easily finish second.
 
#86
#86
MikeHamiltonFan said:
RICHMOND OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE - Men's Basketball

By playing well in the A10. With good wins OOC against Missouri and Miss. State.

The miners of UTEP have these guys who all look very good:

03 Culpepper, Randy... 01 Moultrie, Arnett...
05 Stone, Julyan...... 04 Caracter, Derrick..

If they can keep up the high level of play they just displayed in the loss to Ole Miss they should be able to make it.

They may not be able to hang with Oklahoma coming up, but Air Force, BYU, Texas Tech all are winnable games and in conference USA they could easily finish second.
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Missouri is not a good OOC win, nor is MSU at this point (did you see them last night against Wright St?)

If UTEP gets in, it will have to do so from 3rd or worse in CUSA. The top 2 are going to be Memphis and Tulsa.
 
#87
#87
BPV I did not watch the game but the description does not sound bad:

STARKVILLE, Miss. -- Barry Stewart scored 21 points to lead Mississippi State to an 80-69 victory over Wright State on Wednesday night.


Mississippi State (8-2) hit 29 of 46 shots from the field (63 percent), including 12 3-pointers. Wright State (6-4) shot just 34.8 percent from the field (23-for-66), hitting 14 3-pointers on 36 attempts.

The Bulldogs outrebounded the Raiders 34-28 and blocked 13 shots.

Mississippi State opened the game on an 18-8 run and led 43-31 at the break. In the second half, the Raiders remained competitive but never pulled closer than nine points.

You may be right about Tulsa I have not watched them play at all. I know that Caracter is a big talent in that conference.

I wonder if Royce White will hurt Tubbys career at Minnesota. It will definitely hurt him this year.
 
#88
#88
BigPapaVol said:
Missouri is not a good OOC win, nor is MSU at this point (did you see them last night against Wright St?)

If UTEP gets in, it will have to do so from 3rd or worse in CUSA. The top 2 are going to be Memphis and Tulsa.
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I saw that UAB was destroying Cincy. Do you think there's any chance they get up there in the top 3 in Conference USA?
 
#89
#89
BigPapaVol said:
How are UTEP and Richmond going to make the dance?
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I'm sure getting crushed at home by New Mexico State will be a glowing entry on UTEP's ledger come March. They'll have to win the C-USA Tournament. If Richmond doesn't beat Florida Saturday, they're probably in a similar situation.
 
#90
#90
hatvol96 said:
I'm sure getting crushed at home by New Mexico State will be a glowing entry on UTEP's ledger come March. They'll have to win the C-USA Tournament. If Richmond doesn't beat Florida Saturday, they're probably in a similar situation.
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Yech, I am embarrassed by my comments regarding Richmond in the preseason.
 
#91
#91
emainvol said:
Yech, I am embarrassed by my comments regarding Richmond in the preseason.
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They're learning one of the hard lessons of college hoops. It's much easier to go from bad to respectable than it is to jump from respectable to good.
 
#92
#92
#7 Michigan State 6-0 16-3
#19 Wisconsin 5-2 15-4
Illinois 4-2 12-7
#25 Ohio State 4-3 14-5
#15 Purdue 3-3 15-3
Minnesota 3-3 12-6
Michigan 3-3 10-8
Indiana 2-3 8-9
Northwestern 2-4 13-5
Iowa 1-5 7-12
Penn State 0-5 8-9


UTEP had a nice win tonight over Memphis...

The SEC
TEAM CONF GB OVR
Kentucky #2 3-0 - 18-0
Tennessee #8 3-0 - 15-2
Mississippi State 3-0 - 15-3
Vanderbilt 3-0 - 14-3
Mississippi #24 2-2 1½ 14-4
South Carolina 2-2 1½ 11-7
Arkansas 1-1 1½ 8-9
Florida 1-2 2 12-5
Alabama 1-3 2½ 11-7
Auburn 1-3 2½ 10-9
Georgia 0-3 3 8-8
LSU 0-4 3½ 9-9


is still better than the Big 10...
 
#93
#93
UTEP is better than I believed. Big 10 is only marginally better than the SEC and both suck. Ohio State and Michigan state are very good.
 
#94
#94
BigPapaVol said:
UTEP is better than I believed. Big 10 is only marginally better than the SEC and both suck. Ohio State and Michigan state are very good.
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UTEP still doesn't have the resume to get an at large bid. Unless they just steamroll C-USA the rest of the year, they will have to win the tournament to get a berth. Once Memphis loses 4 or 5 more conference games, nobody is going to much care that the Miners beat them first.
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#95
#95
BigPapaVol said:
UTEP is better than I believed. Big 10 is only marginally better than the SEC and both suck. Ohio State and Michigan state are very good.
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Ohio State is going to be a matchup nightmare come March. Turner, when fully healthy, is the most versatile offensive player in the country. Buford and Lighty are really good, too.
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#96
#96
10 Kentucky 3-0 18-0 0.6473 104 0.5297
15 Tennessee 3-0 15-2 0.6381 48 0.5573
23 Vanderbilt 3-0 13-3 0.6232 38 0.5632
37 Mississippi 2-2 14-4 0.6043 54 0.5535
50 Mississippi St. 3-0 15-3 0.5886 136 0.5139
The above group should be safely in
75 Florida 1-2 12-5 0.5620 93 0.5360
Absent winning the conference tournament, Florida is the only team that has a shot at going from the SEC not currently in the top 5.
84 South Carolina 2-2 11-7 0.5573 55 0.5532
93 Georgia 0-3 8-8 0.5505 14 0.5895
94 Alabama 1-3 11-7 0.5495 47 0.5583
146 Auburn 1-3 9-9 0.5132 90 0.5374
181 Arkansas 1-1 8-9 0.4924 66 0.5498
203 LSU 0-4 9-9 0.4764 150 0.5102

RealTimeRPI.com Southeastern Men's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet

11 Wisconsin 5-2 15-4 0.6460 10 0.5937
13 Purdue 3-3 15-3 0.6396 23 0.5751
20 Michigan St. 6-0 16-3 0.6249 64 0.5501
44 Ohio St. 4-3 14-5 0.5941 70 0.5459
The above group I think is safely in...
60 Minnesota 3-3 12-6 0.5773 62 0.5510
64 Northwestern 2-4 13-5 0.5742 69 0.5477
74 Illinois 4-2 12-7 0.5627 35 0.5646
122 Michigan 3-3 9-8 0.5267 77 0.5428
Hat is saying that two of these teams will get in. NW beat Purdue and that should be the high point of their season. They are headed for a hard fall. Minnesota and Illinois I think will be beaten up so badly by the top 4 teams the rest of the way, that they do not make the tournament. Michigan is hilarious to be discussed as still having a shot.

The SEC teams (including Florida) that we are talking about in the tournament have 0 to 5 losses. The Big 10 teams for Hat to be right are at 5-8 losses now and he is saying that either they will not lose much the rest of conference play, or the NCAA is going to take a 10-11 loss team.
176 Iowa 1-5 7-12 0.4940 21 0.5763
216 Indiana 2-3 8-9 0.4684 151 0.5090
219 Penn St. 0-5 8-9 0.4664 200 0.4849
RealTimeRPI.com Big Ten Men's College Basketball Rating Percentage Index (RPI) Ratings - A leading sports ratings and resources community on the Internet
 
#98
#98
MikeHamiltonFan said:
UVA and NC State still going to finish at the bottom of the ACC?
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NC State? Probably. I can't see them being any better than the bottom three. A home win against a pansy Duke squad doesn't mean a whole lot, especially since it is a rivalry that is traditionally played close.

Virginia? I think they will have a hard time as the conference season progresses, but I don't really know where to put them. I don't recall anyone saying they would finish at the bottom of the ACC. They are a well coached team with a few deficiencies on the roster. That is going to translate into some good wins, and some really bad losses. I mean, they have been dropped by Auburn, USF, Penn St, and Stanford. Not exactly a murderer's row.

Watch out though, UVA has a damn good class coming in.
 
#99
#99
Speaking of ACC classes, has anyone gone down the line and looked at some of the signings for next year? UNC will get their normal big class, Duke's is great so far but we see where that has gotten them lately. Maryland, NC State, Wake and Virginia are all about to blow up from a talent standpoint. That is going to be a fun conference to watch in the next couple of years.
 
#100
#100
emainvol said:
Speaking of ACC classes, has anyone gone down the line and looked at some of the signings for next year? UNC will get their normal big class, Duke's is great so far but we see where that has gotten them lately. Maryland, NC State, Wake and Virginia are all about to blow up from a talent standpoint. That is going to be a fun conference to watch in the next couple of years.
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Yeah, I know Wake has a top 10 class coming in thats really solid. NC State I think was hovering somewhere around 12 or 13.

The ACC is in my opinion the best conference basketball to watch when its at its top. When MD, Wake, GT and others are strong, that conference is rocking. The Big East will always have great teams, but I think its the style of basketball that makes it so much better. I hate Dook and NC, but I always watch both of their rivalry games. The ACC is good stuff.
 
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